Getting new wheels, got a couple questions

I'm getting the Fat Bob lift done soon, and with that im getting new Wheels and tires. Never had to buy new wheels, looking at 16x8 but my question is can i change the bolt pattern or do i have to keep the stock pattern? Also can anyone recommend cheap 5 lug wheels in black?

 

Unless you do an axle swap, you are stuck with the 5x4.5 pattern. There is a work-around kludge, in terms of Spidertrax spacers - they do have some "converter" spacers that will allow you to run 6-bolt rims on the 5x4.5 pattern. The problem with this 'work-around' is that they are intended for Jeep products, and as such won't have the correct hub-centric diameter to keep the rims centered - i would consider a spidertrax 'conversion' as a vastly inferior choice to make, then taking the time to find a good 5x4.5 pattern set of rims in 16" or 17" and going from there. The same applies with spacers used to bring tires out closer to the lip of the fender - it's better to get correct rims, from the beginning.

You need to consider the following in selecting rims:

• Stud pattern
• Stud diameter (eg 12mm vs 14mm) utilized on vehicle
• Correct hub-centric diameter, or hub-centric adapter rings installed to assure hub-centric balancing of the rim
• Off-set and Back-spacing
• etc etc..

OEM Centerbore is 60.1mm diameter.
Offset is +45
OEM rim size is 15x6JJ


You can get centerbore adapter rings for certain common aftermarket rims that have a centerbore higher than 60.1 - example - i got a hold of a set of aftermarket rims for a Jeep KJ (the early 2000's Liberty/Patriot) and sourced a set of 60.1 -> 73.1 adapter rings off of Amazon..

Plenty of people have gone onto larger 235/75R15's on rims with less positive offset (FWD cars generally have high + offset figures, like our Tacoma 5-lugs - the 6-lug has less + offset than ours - different axle, different stud pattern, more aggressive looking) for a conservative upgrade. You can find 15-17" rims that are compatible with our Tacomas, for a whole new look - but you have to do your research, and be familiar with what will, or won't work - this 5-lug specific forum is a good place to start that research (and many evenings of reading) with pen and paper in hand, to understand what is going on with your stock setup, and how to adjust accordingly with a new set of rims to your taste - be aware - less positive offset (or for that matter, any variance in OEM setup will cause this) - the more you are going to put stress out your wheel bearings - there is a cost to everything.

This sub-forum has everything you need to know, and is well documented.

 

Thank you so much for the help. With the lift and susspesion done I'm looking at 16x8 rims in black. I wanted negative offset but maybe some bora spacers are the better route? From what I heard spacers and too much negative offset can screw your bearings up. I'm so lost in this lol. I don't want to spend 150+ on each rim but I have no idea what I'm doing

 

Everyone was a beginner, once.

I feel that i got a fairly firm grip on things related to the 5-lugs, but an occasional fact-reveal coming from others still surprises me, from time to time. I'm a motorcycle guy, not really a car guy .. my knowledge i've picked up through reading, and occasionally messing with/up my own truck, and picking up tidbits of otherwise useless info, along the way.. Pick a topic, start reading.

If going larger tires .. you have got a lot of factors to consider. the reality-based limitations of a 5-lug level/lift, means that if you exceed the reasonable, you are going to be spending. It doesn't take long, until you are spending.

Avoid spacers, go neutral (0), or very low-negative offset on the rims. That'll push the rubber outward. Spacers are a weak link in your suspension/running gear/rolling bits. If you go spacers, buy quality brand-name with an identifiable grade of aluminium and studs being used.

Beyond 235/75R15 (max allowable tire size on OEM rims, IIRC), the fender black-box trimming and other miscellaneous changes start taking place. Stock wheel with OEM rubber measures out at 26.9". 235/75R15 pushes that out to 28.9" .. at around 30-31" a relatively expensive final drive re-gear is going to start looking good.

In your case, put down on paper, a rough idea for your working budget. It does not matter, whether you are a beginner in messing with what doesn't need to be messed with in the first place... Pencil it in - it'll be subjected to much in the way of changes. Google is your friend for pricing...

 

I have seen a lot of people with the fat bob lift/susspension kit so I'm wanting that with 16x8 with 4.5 inch backspacing and 245/75 R16 tires. Should I be good with that or will I need to trim things

 

Your fender-well black box delete will be necessary. No biggie. 245/75R16 at 30.5" diameter, is firmly entering into the re-gear danger-zone - whether manual or automatic transmission version, IMHO. Each has different requirements to re-gear.

 

Do you have a suggestion size wise then? I don't do any offroading. It's a everyday drive car but I want it lifted a bit with a set of nicer and a bit bigger all season tires

 

Size-wise, that's a decision you need to make for yourself .. a lot of people just stick to a better 15x8" rim (or bigger), factoring in the adjustment of back-spacing and off-set to get a more aggressively stanced-out appearance of a truck, and go with some semi-aggressive tires.

What i would recommend, and what i run, I came upon by happy accident of circumstance, necessitated by the need of an urgent tire change with the OEM steelies.. i'd lived with them long enough anyway at 4+ years from new, and wanted something a bit more purty.. but couldn't source retail, when kijiji had to do in the financial moment. I went conservative, to make sure that i didn't need to do significant changes - as your truck is, mine is a daily-driver I put money into other things on the truck, to make that commute safer - at the expense (savings?) of potentially getting overly-ambitious with tire sizes and mandatory re-gearing changes.

I run 225/75R16's. My first consideration in replacement, was that the tire i chose had to be LT-rated. The P-rated OEM's at 215/70R15 were wearing dangerously, and failing fast, with my tendency to overload the truck, and go on an extended highway trip.. aesthetic appearance was secondary to form and function. I'd like to go bigger - but my bank account doesn't really agree with that bigger is better desire. I need to keep something in the budget for other toys, anyway.

My recommendation, also results in my truck having the appearance of mild-dwarfism from the mid-line of the truck, down.. aesthetically not for everyone. My rims have very similar figures of the stock off-set/back-spacing, just up-sized. The new 16" rims/tires that i put on it, still have the tucked-in appearance, of the OEM steelies.

Read some of the build threads in this 5-lug section - Sleazypetey's comes to mind, handily.. there are others who've also followed that formula of 15x8's (or wider) .. it works great on the single-cabs.. the 'formula' is a bit more challenging with the Access-Cabs, and the few Crew-cab 5-lugs out there. It's all a matter of getting the aesthetic appearance right, with the right combination of parts, while still trying to keep your budget realistic.

In some cases, it's often better to migrate to a 6-lug, and be done with it. It all depends on the many factors that you need to consider for yourself. Are you keeping the truck long? What are your plans for the truck, why do you want to do it?

If you haven't seen this site .. check it out.. it gives you all the information needed, pretty much, when considering tire and rim changes deviating away from OEM sizing.

 

Main reason I want this done is my current suspension is damaged and my tires are 8 years old. I drive on the highway M-F for work. I plan on keeping this truck for a long time. Appearance is a factor too, in my mind the truck sites to low for my liking, that's why I'd like the lift and suspension kit so I can shoot two birds with one stone. I was never set nor do I even really care for 16x8 wheels, that's what I saw other builds running so I thought I'd check it out. I just want nicer looking rims and tires. I'm going to go with what you suggested with the 15x8 hopefully. With a 15x8 setup and 225/75R16 will trimming be needed? Or can I just install the kit and wheels and tired and be golden?

 

I can only speak for my own tire sizing - 225/75R16's are on 16x7 rims. They come in at 29.3" - just a little taller than the 235/75R15's, and a smidge skinnier. I did not require any trimming at time of install. I didn't even need a lift installed first. I ran them as-is, complete with failing shocks/struts, with no interference with fenders or suspension components, until the lift went on a month or so later. I run the comparable Readylift SST kit with Bilstein 4600/5100's.

 

I have never been a car guy and still I am not. I never cared for after market stuff until I finally got my taco now I have so many plans with limited knowledge and limited monies

 

You are only a few years behind me, with the knowledge base .. as said, everyone is a beginner once. Cars never really interested me, until i got past the winter-beater stage of 4-wheeled budgeting.. and that was with the Tacoma - first new or newish car i've owned in 30 years. I really don't want to go back into debt for a new vehicle now that i got this one paid off, but I don't mind spending, to keep the current one a good long time.. you don't need to do everything at once. Do what needs attention, based on principle of safety-first, and go from there.

 

I wanted a new tacoma but being 20 and working a job not a career is what made me buy a used tacoma. But my plan is to just keep upgrading and keeping maintained.

 

Before you do anything, make sure that your frame is sound, and has gone through the Toyota inspection process.

 

The frame was factory replaced

 

So after looking around I have come up with this list of stuff id like to get:

Ultra 164: 15x8 5X114.3 -19 offset 83 bore

now to find 60.1mm to 83.06mm rings.

then looking for some nice 235/75-15 tires and hopefully everything should be good i hope.

 

-19 is a significant offset over OEM +40 or +45. Depending on jurisdiction, you might need to run fender flares like weathertech to be legal, as far as tire coverage goes. You will also be requiring axle bearing replacements more often. Just a heads up.

If you can't find 60.1 to 83.06mm adapter rings ask @SleazyPetey or check his build thread where he sourced his custom machined set for his rim choice.