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Discussion in 'Off-Roading & Trails' started by Thunder Fist, Apr 23, 2017.

  1. Apr 23, 2017 at 8:43 PM
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    Thunder Fist

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    Like, so many.
    Honest question: Why are Jeep Wranglers considered the top tier off roading production vehicle? Other than the Rubicon, which I know has serious off road capability right from the factory, are other models really superior to other 4x4s?
    Is it because of the massive after market scene? Something inherent to the design? Do they have something from the factory I don't know about that makes them better?
    Thanks for your thoughts.
     
  2. Apr 23, 2017 at 8:44 PM
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    They are narrow, short wheel base, and have a solid front axle. You can fit large tires with minor modification. They look cool. The have history. They have a massive aftermarket. They are easy to work on.
     
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  5. Apr 23, 2017 at 8:49 PM
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    This sounds about right
     
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  6. Apr 23, 2017 at 8:57 PM
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    All that makes sense. I didn't realize a solid front axle was superior to IFS for off roading.
     
  7. Apr 23, 2017 at 9:06 PM
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    chris4x4

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    What they have, is exactly what is needed to climb up things, and navigate off road terrain. I think the base model jeep scores over 500 on an RTI ramp, where most "Off Road" edition vehicles score around a 400. I scored an 810, or so, at the last meet in mine :) When I went under my Jeep, and did some exploring, I found that many vital items, such as fuel lines, wiring, and anything else that can get snagged on a trail, runs in a fully enclosed channel built into the body. I mean.....WHO DOES THAT? I haven't seen any other off the shelf vehicle that offers that kinda snag protection. That all being said, you cant compare the off road prowess of the Tacoma to the Jeep. They are 2 different animals completely. The Jeep is NOT a good truck. On the freeway, in any cross winds over 25 mph, it is a ride of which cant be matched at any "Fun park". It cant corner for shit, has the aerodynamic properties of a refrigerator, and has a 70 - 0 braking distance of "Meh". Oh......and while some folks get to complain about a weird noise on their Tacoma, a spastic shifter, or whatever, EVERY SINGLE notice I have gotten for my Jeep has ended with these words:

    "Failure to have issue addressed may result in fire"


    I had an issue with my mirrors.....MIRRORS! and the notice ended with those words. Honestly, my first thought was "How cool would it be to have flaming mirrors......"

    Aside from that, its hard to argue a vehicle with an auto tranny rated to 560 ft-lbs, 4.10 gears, Heavy Duty Dana 44's front/rear, 6 point roll cage, Front/Rear lockers, breathers on all oil cases, and running up above the engine, drain holes, 4/1 transfer case, pretty good skid plates, bla bla bla.......right off the show room floor.
     
  8. Apr 23, 2017 at 9:07 PM
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    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

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    It depends on the off road, or trail. For crawling over crap at slower speeds, yes. For faster off road trails, IFS is better. IMHO.
     
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  9. Apr 23, 2017 at 9:13 PM
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    Well I think that answers my question. I didn't realize lower tier Wrangler models had so much "stuff."
     
  10. Apr 23, 2017 at 9:13 PM
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  11. Apr 23, 2017 at 9:19 PM
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    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

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    My bad.....I was thinking of my Rubi. The Sport has Dana 44's rear, and Dana 35 Front. I think the Sport model comes with BLD system, which is similar to the Toyota s traction system, and it can also have a LS diff in the rear. Still has a 5 link front and rear suspension, skids, and has decent flex off road. Bone stock, a jeep will surprise. With a few mods, it can make a "tough" trail almost laughable. All things aside, I stand that the driver is the deciding factor. A good driver, in a poor vehicle, will do better off road than a crap inexperienced driver, in a stellar vehicle.
     
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    Yeah I had an unlimited base model when they first came out, and it's pretty surprising what it could do. Bone stock on Street tires, and no locker.
     
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    Before I bought my first toyota I owned a TJ Wrangled and to this day it's the only vehicle I truly miss. I laugh at all the "What's this wind noise or this rattle" drive a Jeep as a daily for a year or two and a Tacoma is basically a Rolls Royce. They are great off-road by design. Tacomas are built to be a good daily truck that is capable off-road. The Wrangled was designed to be great off-road and o.k.'ish as a daily. I will own another TJ! But not as a daily.
     
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    If you're into serious offroading it's way easier and cheaper (to do it in what most people would call the "right" way) to throw 35s on a JK than a Tacoma...

    Buy a Rubicon, put on a couple basic upgrades, put 35s on, then crawl through black diamond trails like they are fire roads.

    For a Tacoma? Rear gear is basically mandatory, chop up or replace fenders, add a front locker (to match the Rubicon's) replace front and rear bumper since the approach/departure angles are shit. Find someplace to throw your spare 35 since it won't fit in the stock location. And I could go on and on.

    And that's not to say IFS can't crawl, because they definitely can, just shorter wheel base with a solid axle opens up more options on trails.

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    Don't forget how the rubicon bumpers have winch mounts already built in, so no need for aftermarket front bumper
     
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    I replaced mine with a Warn front bumper. The 10A Rubicons or other models come with the winch ready bumper, but its kinda thin for my taste.
     
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    One of the harness' weren't water proof. Easy fix, as they replaced the harness with one that was waterproof.
     
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    I stand by a slightly rear stretched LJ is the perfect wheel base for wheeling, nice Jeep you picked up.

    Myself in my Tacoma and my best friend is his built TJ have been the two active wheelers around Lubbock for some time. We had the most bro looking Jeep you could imagine want to join our off road club. 18" rockstars with 35" pro comp wheels on a JKU Rubicon with 5.13s, modest 3" lift and a bumper. That thing goes anywhere, no driver skill needed. 4lo and lockers with 35s is all any weekend warrior could ever want/need. He can do stuff I can't even touch and i've been wheeling twice a month (at least) for the past four years.
     
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