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Toyota recalling 228,000 Tacoma's due to oil leaks and possible loss of control of vehicle

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by 1ChrisRuck, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. Jul 27, 2017 at 8:05 AM
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    Shwaa

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    Man that's crazy. I hope they have at least driven it around occasionally.
     
  2. Jul 27, 2017 at 8:11 AM
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    I'm not optimistic.
     
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  3. Jul 27, 2017 at 8:58 AM
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    I'm at 2 months and 3 days (63 days). Here is what I've done and tried since turning in my truck on May 24, 2017.
    -I opened a case with Toyota corp. So far I now have 3 different case numbers from Toyota.
    -I've been assigned 2 different case managers and have been only able to reach 1 of them.
    -I'm on my 2nd rental as of last week (first rental had bad brakes)
    -I filed a complaint with NHTSA and directed to ODI (Office of Defect Investigation)
    -I filed another complaint with ODI and acquired a separate case #.
    -I asked my case manager about starting the arbitration process but she assured me that this will not be in my favor since there is a current solution to this recall but just a BIG lack of parts.
    -I've gotten different answers from Toyota Corp and dealership about completion time. First was the 6-8 month time period from the dealership. Next was corporate with a promise of mid-June. Then corporate back with a response of "as of now there is no completion date?!". Then comes in my case manager who contacted my dealership on July 17, 2017 and was given a 3 week ETA on parts and completion of recall. If i'm counting correctly, they have roughly 1.5 weeks to get my truck done.
    -I also tried to cut a deal with my case manager of getting me into a new truck with some financial help on their end, but they said Toyota corporation does not deal with any "sales part". Basically it would be up to me to trade in and take a hit on negative equity. Basically since they said that California lemon law is pretty much a 1% success rate, I tried to sneak it around them by making deals in my favor but that didn't work out so well.
    -And while waiting and missing my truck, I test drove a few trucks on the weekends. 2017 Tacoma, felt exactly like my truck. No "want" feeling happened on that test drive. 2017 Tundra, beast of a truck but heave on the wallet. Hefty price tag and not so good mpg (which is part of why I tried to strike a deal with my case manager but she would't budge). 2017 4runner, also a very fun vehicle. But like the Tundra, hefty price tag. Then comes the last truck I test drove (please dont flame me on this but Ive always admired all trucks a growing up)... 2017 Chevy Silverado. V8, 4x4, more electronic gadgets than you would possibly need, lots of leg room and yes, I do know that this is a totally different category than what the Tacoma is in but I thought Id take it for a spin anyways. But yeah, awesome truck. More leg room is always needed. $50k truck but a crazy markdown of $11,000 (2017 model liquidation)which takes it down to about $37-$38k depending on trim level and it gets about the same mpg the Tacoma gets.

    Anyways long story short, I didn't bring home the silverado because I really do like my Tacoma. I'm just tired of the run around that I'm getting from Toyota. I hate the feeling of losing that "Toyota Dependability" feeling that I had when I first drove the truck off the lot. I bought this truck as a long time investment and in such a short time, we all experience this pretty major recall followed by a new recall (crankshaft timing rotor). No bueno in my book. The longer I wait for this fix, the more I feel like getting out of my truck. I'm sure I can't be the only one feeling this way.:(
     
  4. Jul 27, 2017 at 9:11 AM
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    I would feel much the same I'd imagine. Good luck.
     
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  5. Jul 27, 2017 at 9:18 AM
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    I will say, I need to stop hearing their commercials saying "Toyota, we make it easy on you."
     
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  6. Jul 27, 2017 at 9:20 AM
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    2018 could be a risky bet depending on how many defective parts are left in the current supply chain.One would think that all defective parts once discovered would be immediately removed from the supply chain and sent back to the O.E.M for credit. It seems to take years to run manufacturing defects out of the system.
     
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  7. Jul 27, 2017 at 9:49 AM
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    that's my concern as well. Would sure as hell hate to walk into the same
    issues on a new truck after we've had them fixed on this one.
     
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  8. Jul 27, 2017 at 9:49 AM
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    Mine is a 2017 and it has been sitting at the dealership for 81 days waiting on parts to fix the leaking rear diff. I doubt even the 2018's will be any different.
     
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    I've done all of that also, but I also went to the Hagens Berman website and filed a concern with them. I stated they should be watching this case develop. It sounds like Toyota really doesn't know how many vehicles are truly affected, and whether their solution is temporary or permanent fix. These guys have handled several class action suits against Toyota and others.

    https://www.hbsslaw.com/service/practices/automotive-litigation

    I don't know if it will help, but I'm willing to try anything. This whole situation is absurd.
     
  10. Jul 27, 2017 at 10:19 AM
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    This thread needs to be mailed to the Toyota CEO.
     
  11. Jul 27, 2017 at 10:20 AM
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    Agreed. This is much bigger than they are saying and I'm pretty sure I've
    read more than once here that a couple guys that had the fix are leaking again.
     
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  12. Jul 27, 2017 at 10:33 AM
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    I had mine re-torqued about 3 weeks ago. I crawled under the truck last night and I see leaking. In fact, it's worse cause I didn't have any huge signs of leakage before and the dealership just re-torqued as per the recall and sent me on my way. I had checked the diff when I dropped it off then and there was just a small spot that looked like a tiny leak, but now there's a huge saturation stain all across the bottom of the diff.
     
  13. Jul 27, 2017 at 10:37 AM
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    shit man sorry to hear that. I was actually planning to pick up a torque wrench
    and tighten them all down as there is no way I'm leaving the truck with them for
    an undetermined amount of time.

    Mine has a couple 1/2 quarter sized weep spots, they've been exactly the same
    size and dry as hell for months and months, no change what-so-ever with them.
     
  14. Jul 27, 2017 at 10:44 AM
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    Lemon Law is different in every state. Not entirely accurate.
     
  15. Jul 27, 2017 at 10:45 AM
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    This entire recall could come down to the bean counters trying to save 50 Cents per truck by using cheaper bolts.
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    There are many reasons why bolting failures happen. In fact, they are often caused by a combination of factors.

    According to Laurent Dastas, a Bolting Analysis Expert at Alstom Transport, there are four main root causes that explain bolt failure:

    1. The tightening operation was forgotten.
    2. The tightening tool was not accurate enough regarding tightening tolerances.
    3. An error in the fastener’s steel class.
    4. A failure in the tightening sequence.

    In technical terms, there are two main types of bolting failure: static failures and fatigue – also called dynamic – failures. “The use of electronic keys, for the simultaneous recording of couples and angle-values during the tightening operation, allows securing on every assembly according to these four parameters,” says Laurent Dastas.

    Static failures are generally easy to identify. For instance, they occur during overloading, after over tightening of the assembly, through an accident of external loads, or due to a ‘non-conforming product’.

    Fatigue failure is often more complex, because the fatigue develops during the service cycle. There can be cracks in the material, such as in the fasteners, the threads of the bolt, or any component of the assembly. These cracks will increase and propagate on the normal section (stress section) of the screw before the total failure of the assembly.

    “Actually, crack-related damage is the most dangerous failure in a bolted assembly,” says Zouhair Chaib, Senior Technical Expert at Nord-Lock.

    In fatigue failures, the assembly can be correctly tightened at first. However, after external loading, the bolted joint starts to lose the force of the pre-loads due, for instance, to relaxation or self-loosening.
     
  16. Jul 27, 2017 at 10:49 AM
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    Of course they're gonna tell you California has a 1% success rate on lemon law. They aren't gonna cheer you on. Contact a lawyer and find out your rights.
     
  17. Jul 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM
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    It seems to be the nuts that are (possibly) at issue, not the studs ("bolts").

    I say "possibly" because the remedy for axles that are not leaking is to simply re-torque the existing nuts to 18 lb·ft. It is only in the case of leaking axles thatnew nuts (torqued to a higher value, 33 lb·ft IIRC) are used. If more than 2 liters of gear oil remain in the axle the gasket is replaced using new nuts; if 2 liters or less of gear oil remain the carrier assembly is replaced, with a new gasket and the new nuts.

    There is no mention of replacing the studs, nor are they listed in the parts list...
     
  18. Jul 27, 2017 at 11:25 AM
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    Ill give it a shot. Doesnt hurt to try.
     
  19. Jul 27, 2017 at 12:16 PM
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    Nuts or Bolts,something is wrong with the fasteners.This shouldn't be happening. I've never experienced a leaking differential in 35 years.

    • Fastening points are the weak spots in any assembly. Leaks, particularly in assemblies that involve or must endure air or fluid pressures, can develop at fastening points using the helix of the threaded fastener like a canal.
     
  20. Jul 27, 2017 at 12:34 PM
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    Oh it is much bigger, the parts fiasco is nothing more than, we will see how many trucks are affected and make a few parts, and now its oh shit that many crap...........



    This is the official description from the NHTSA :

    The subject vehicles are equipped with rear differential carriers assembled to rear axle housings. Due to potential sealing surface contact variation, there is a possibility that the sealing performance may degrade and the nuts fastening the differential carrier to the axle housing may become loose. If this were to occur, the rear differential may leak oil. If the vehicle is continuously operated in this condition, the rear differential could become damaged, which can result in noise and reduced propulsion. In some cases the rear differential could seize, resulting in loss of control and increasing the risk of a crash.


    The statement (Due to potential sealing surface contact variation) tells me that this is not a bolt issue but a carrier axle out of spec issue, and that the band aid fix is to throw a new gasket in and tighten it more and hope it doesn't leak. That is why differentials without leaks are simply re-torqued to 18 foot pounds and sent on their way, because if it really was a fastener issue, which would be very difficult to track down as far as assembly dates are concerned, all trucks would have them replaced. I be their was a defect in the casting of the carriers that is causing this issue and Toyota wants no part of a massive carrier replacement like the 2nd gen Tundra/Tacoma frame replacement fiasco.
     
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