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Fuel economy of the 2016 tacoma

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by smugly, Jul 24, 2015.

  1. Aug 16, 2015 at 6:39 PM
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    No, the guy in the Offroad video quoting what Toyota was giving out, which the highest EPA number
     
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    Shit balls. An F150 crew cab weighs not much more at 4,930 lbs for the heaviest trim line, with some around 4500 lbs:

    Base Curb Weight - 2.7L EcoBoost® V6 4,563 lbs. 4,806 lbs. 4,602 lbs.
    Base Curb Weight - 3.5L EcoBoost® V6 4,679 lbs. 4,925 lbs. 4,722 lbs. 4,984 lbs.
    Base Curb Weight - 3.5L Ti-VCT V6 4,471 lbs. 4,696 lbs.
    Base Curb Weight - 5.0L Ti-VCT V8 4,622 lbs. 4,871 lbs. 4,664 lbs. 4,930 lbs.
     
  3. Aug 16, 2015 at 7:38 PM
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    True but with the same mods and same junk, the 3rd Gen is gonna weigh 300 lbs less.
    They were probably just quoting what we saw earlier. So it's probably one source, not two.

    Yeah the Colorado is pretty heavy. How much weight did f150 actually save with aluminum pieces?
     
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    On a crewcab they shaved just over 800 lbs. Huge weight savings in other words.
     
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    That's a TON. Why are all manufacturers following suit? Also, any idea how much it affected their mpg numbers?

    Edit: .4 tons but still
     
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    Ford started testing aluminum panels quietly all the way back in 2009. Similarly to how they launched the Ecoboost, it'll take 3-5 years for anyone who wants to catch up to catch up. This F150 is also a gamble. Someone had to take the first steps to tool for aluminum and put it on a major line of vehicles. Ford is an innovator right now, look for everyone to follow their lead with aluminum in the time span I talked about.

    Our 2015 F150 V8 makes nearly 400 HP and ftlbs of torque but gets 18 mpg city and 22 highway. Overall it's doing just over 20 mpg. Thats about a 20 percent improvement over the last gen. It's hard to tell what they gained from aluminum versus the radical body design. The new F150 has tighter fitted panels, active grill shutters, and vents that redirect air around the tires. Ford did more than just change to aluminum.
     
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    I thought Chevy was the pioneer of grille shutters. Nice touch on the aerodynamics, I wonder what it's CD is? It would be nice for Toyota to follow suit. Shutters bridge the gap between cooling drag and good aerodynamics which are traditionally mutually exclusive. I know they probably won't because it's something that could break and hurt qdr but still, it would be nice. They have such awesome platforms with drawbacks that seem within reach to fix, thus trumping competition, but they don't fix it.
     
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    I see your point, but I don't think that this should make sense to you. So your response was to the question, "Why don't mid size pickups get better mpg compared to full size?" And it does make sense. However let's change my question to, "Why doesn't Toyota get as good mpg as the big 3?"

    So my point is you say mpg tech is for full size pickups. Why aren't we seeing it in the Tundra then? To me, the Tundra's only shortcoming is its efficiency. The Colorado got the shutter technology Ford is using in the f150. Not to mention automakers are still competing for top mpg numbers between mid sizes so why would they "hold back"? if the tech is already developed for the full size lineup it should easily transfer to other vehicles.

    However, tech is not the root of my question. I'll ask it how I asked it in a different thread. Take a full size truck, scale it down to be shorter, lighter and thinner, retrofit the drivetrain, and now you have a midsized truck. Why is that truck not more efficient than the original full size? Secondly, change the v8 to a v6 and bam, more mpg.
     
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    GM beat Ford to the market by one year on grill shutters in a truck, but it's still a good feature. Tbh I was talking qbout aluminum being the Fords first to market, much like some of their engine technology. I'm sure we will see more of the technology in the Tacoma at some point. The question is whether we will see it before the 4th gen Tacoma.
     
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    Okay I see. Ford was probably still planning on it. As for your tbh yes I understood what you meant with ford and the aluminum. I sure do hope you're right about the Tacoma. Turbocharge and aluminum construction!!!
     
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    Auto manufacturers are out there to make money. Fuel saving technology cost $ not only to build but more importantly to design. Not only do the Big 3 with their full size trucks have a lot of volume to amortize the cost of the fuel saving R&D, but they also are able to charge a nice premium as well (price difference between a full size and mid size). If Toyota and GM started offering and charging for all the fuel saving tech in their mid size the price difference between the full size and mid size offerings would be even narrower, and even less people would buy mid-size trucks (they'd just buy the full size).

    Unfortunately Toyota and the Tundra can not compete with Ford and GM on volume. Most of Fords profit it contingent on the success of the F150, so they're going to give the time and R&D dollars to make the F150 class leading and not stale. The Tundra isn't the same for Toyota, so Toyota doesn't treat it the same. Toyota will still be able to generate significant profit (from their diversified product offering) even if the "new" 14 & 15 Tundras are essentially the same truck that was introduced in 2007.
     
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    The weight savings of the F150 wasn't just with aluminum, and they were already one of the heaviest before focusing on losing weight. They're only about 200lbs lighter than the GM full size equivalent. They saved weight on the frame by going to ultra high strength steel like GM and by having the smaller engines, with a few other things mixed in like stamped steel lower control arms instead of the beefy cast steel and forged aluminum control arms GM uses. GM will be going to what they call mixed metals that they are pioneering in the new CTS, more high strength steel and aluminum. They don't want an all aluminum truck body, and they don't want to change their manufacturing process. They've invented and invested in aluminum welding, like seamless laser welding and aluminum spot welding. This will probably be the same way Toyota ends up going because it doesn't require massive plant shut downs, retraining of assembly line workers, and steel is easier to work. Toyota really needs to start stepping it up though because they are way behind the big three when it comes to what the EPA wants for 2025, Ford is already at the 2024 numbers, GM and Ram are at the 2021 numbers.
     
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