Wouldn’t a V8 option be nice?

Look at the Hilux is does not look like a 20 year old Tacoma design.

What that translates into NA automotive sales IDK not much.

Most automanufacturesrs tout how great their global platforms are, NA exclusive vehicles don't make much sense per auto industry language.

No issues with the 3rd gen here, it's still a 20 year old design. Which most Tacoma owners want... So why all the tech on a 20 year old design.

 

Since 4th gen/before 5th gen remodel = same.

 

Drop a V8 in the limited slap a L on the grill price them at 15% mark up sell it at the Lexus dealership.

 

Toyota 2trfe is global as fuck.


And who wants a diesel in the US again? You will get an emission compliant version, and your life will suck ass. Not only will you have a Toyota that people will mistake for a ridgline, but now you have def dosers, dpf pressure sensors, def pumps, sometimes a stand-alone ecu, def tank heaters, the list goes on and on and they fail constantly, will derate and shut down leaving you stranded. And now you REQUIRE a turbo to make use of the diesel fuel. For what gain other than saying “it’s a diesel” (which is cool kinda but still)?

 

It's been hashed in threads all over. The reason I want a diesel is off road MPG. I've had plenty of gasoline engines and they all go to shit when idling for hours in low range. I don't disagree with anything you've said, the EPA rules do seem to indicate the powers to be want diesels to go away (and it would dovetail nicely with groups who want to get motorized vehicles off trails I suspect), it's a PITA and I'm not sure going forward it's still an option. Which only reinforces what I'm saying, I'm getting less likely to buy a new Tacoma if/when the time comes to replace my 2008. Not all of it is Toyota's fault, I acknowledge that. But the GVW issue isn't helped when you have to carry 70 lbs of extra gasoline for a truck that gets 9 MPG in low range.

 

No desire for a V8. Like what I got. Must be getting old.

 

I see your point, and really, that’s the only one I can think of for a small pickup to have a Diesel engine- off road for extended amounts of time, yet nobody ever mentions that. But that simplicity and durability/endurance went right out the fucking window with the emissions stuff, so much so that I would be PLANNING to break down for one reason or another and know going into it I can’t trust my hardware... and that’s a shame.

 

I’d rather have a turbo or supercharged V6 than a V8. Supposedly Magnuson will be designing one next year.

 

You know this argument has been around for as long as I've been driving trucks. First it was IFS is too complex, EFI is too complex, emissions systems, automatic transmissions, electric shift transfer case. There's of course validity to it but yet we're not all driving 1946 Dodge Power Wagons off road.

Perhaps needing DEF and common rail injection to meet emissions adds complexity and cost but that doesn't automatically means the fundamental benefit no longer exists. Point is, Toyota figured out how to make a very complex vehicle plenty reliable already so I'm not particularly concerned that a diesel Tacoma wouldn't also be reasonably so. Keep in mind Europe and Asia have many of the same efficiency and emissions requirements so manufacturers are already solving these problems.

Not to mention people do figure out workarounds and bypasses to some of these on-road systems to make them more reliable (for off road travel only of course, thank you rolling coal numbnuts).

 

Um, people ARE telling Toyota what they want, and Toyota is producing it. "People" (not us the tiny minority here in the forums, but the majority of the 16K customers a month who buys the truck) are telling Toyota that they want better efficiency and occasional off road capability and be able to haul a small amount of gear. Toyota is building that and selling them as fast as they build them.

You guys get confused on what a few people want (rock crawler, V8, diesel, cheap, rubber mats, etc) and what the normal people want. Normal people buy 99% of the Tacomas, really they do. For the 1% that want the other stuff... it's never gonna happen. I am in the 1% but I understand why Toyota builds what they do... because most of their customers are not on forums or modding in their driveway on Saturday or changing their own oil or going a hundred miles off road. They are buying the Tacoma to use on Home Depot runs and pull a little boat and take their kids to school. That is reality. A V8 or other such nonsense is not needed nor wanted for those tasks except by a few people. Sorry, but that's the truth.

 

But those plenty reliable vehicles aren’t equipped with the components we’re talking about, which is why they’re so reliable. And there is no workaround or bypass that I know of to fix a derate/shutdown, it’s not as if you can jump a wire in the ecu code. If your doser is clogged all the way back with crystallized def, it need to come apart, if it’s even serviceable on passenger vehicles. Often times, as was the case with someone on this forum with a domestic, and in my experience in my field, you may get a ghost code for say def contamination when no contamination exists, causing a shutdown, with no actual field fixable problem.

 

I had a guy just the other day ask me about my Tacoma. He is a welder and was wondering if I thought my truck would pull a 24' camper (he travels for pipeline work). I think there is a market for the trucks we want. I think manufacturers are selling trucks based on the previous 15 years, where many people did substitute a mini van or station wagon with a double cab pickup. That won't be true in the future as CAFE catches up and the loophole that made SUVs and light trucks attractive to manufacturers closes. I think it probably means those of us that still want trucks will have to buy fleet spec F250s or Transits in the future, though, so it is probably tilting at windmills.

 

Toyota's GD engines (the D-4D, like the 2GD-FTV, e.g. the diesels in Prado & Hilux) use urea, they use AdBlue for EURO 6 compliance. It's been around for a number of years in Europe and Asia. Like I say, to me a question of design reliability as much as anything. I think a 2.8L diesel Tacoma would be quite nice, honestly I do. It's not really any more complex than a 2GR-FKS.

 

Exactly. Toyota (and other OEMs) build what is PROFITABLE, not what is best. They are in the business of making money. That's it. If they have something you want, then buy it. If they don't, buy something else instead of "wishing" on the internet.

Bottom line, if they made a V8 Tacoma with a heavy duty platform, they wouldn't sell many. Why?
1. It would cost way too much.
2. No advantage over full size except, you know, size. Most people don't want to pay more for smaller.

Also, anyone who wants to put the current Tacoma on a "diet" is welcome to try. Pretty much everything they use is as good and light as it gets. You gotta have the safety stuff like airbags and crumple zones. You gotta have an engine and drivetrain and frame. The truck is already full of plastic, including the bed. Where will you shave weight? Titanium frame? Not gonna happen.

 

I had a similar conversation and replied "get an F150". He said "yeah, that's what everyone says".....lol

Seems pretty simple, you want a V8, don't buy a Tacoma.

You want to pull a heavy camper, don't buy a Tacoma.

You want a reliable mid size truck that will haul material and go off-road, well now you are talking....Tacoma.

There are so many different vehicles being manufactured, figure out what is most important and get the one that clicks the most boxes.

The Ridgeline would probably be great for many of the DCSB owners...
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Def and def delivery, sure. The complexities and headaches associated are headaches for others too, they just don’t come with added fun of being stranded. These are common all over the world, but what isn’t common are the parameters set and the actions the ecu’s take. If a value isn’t met on a sensor, THOSE vehicles don’t shut down, they adjust and throw a MIL, you get it fixed later on. I would trust a diesel hilux in Poland in the middle of a forest. I wouldn’t trust, say, a diesel Colorado in the middle of.. Colorado. And all the same, a hilux in the US.

 

...and the Tundra for anyone wanting a Toyota V8 to pull a heavy camper.

 

I would want a v8 in my rig because of the size, tundra won't fit in a lot of places my truck will especially if your running glass and LT. Despite what you think there are a lot of people that want more power that's why there's such a large SC community, if you willing to pay for 300hp why not add a little more for 350-400. Easy to box in your frame and get a tougher diff&driveline I think its a shame there is only one 2ng gen v8 on the internet and it's for drag racing and not off-roading. But hey why not just build a trophy truck

 

I would have gladly purchased my Tacoma with a small V8 if it had a manual transmission option.

 

Yes. Small displacement, around 350 hp, 300 ft. lbs. torque. Make it a special edition like a Pro or something. I would buy that in a second. I have a feeling when the Ranger Raptor materializes if it does, is gonna be mean.