Vibrations help please

so I just had a shop do my clutch and throughout berring and I got the truck back it drove home fine the next morning when I went out to drive I let it warm up and pulled away my first stop I threw in neutral while still rolling (2009 6speedmanuel 4x4) at about 25 when it slowed down to 20 the truck started like vibrating/shuddering while on or off the breaks till it got to like 13-15mph then went away it does this for a few minutes till maby the trucks warmed up.. idk but after I drive it for a few minutes that goes away it's done this everymorning since.

Idk if it's related but I also noticed after getting my clutch done that when I get up to like 40-45 up I get some pedal steering wheel and floor vibration mostly when I'm accelerating it feels like it gets weaker when I put it in neutral at high speeds but it's still there please help I've read stuff about it being the u joints they looked ok I played around with them but I couldn't see anything I've also read carrier berring but I'd love some opinions!!

 

@gearcruncher

 

Ive heard that if they didnt put it back in the same spot as it was before it will vibrate. Kind of like its out of balance. If you take off your drive shaft and look at end of the shaft coming from the trans you should be able to see the outline of where the driveline was, the yoke should line back up with the bolts. You can also disconnect and remove the rear shaft completely and run with the front in 4x4 and see if the vibe goes away. That narrows it to the rear. It could be the carrier bearing needs replaced also.

 

Driveshaft installed incorrectly , out of phase .
I will throw this diagnostic chart in , but sure sounds driveshaft related

Lets look at some Vibration diagnostics . Anytime someone asks a vibration question , I copy and paste this .
I believe there are at very minimum at least 12 different vibration issues assosiated with the Tacoma and all the vibrations / shudders get mixed into the same pot when members start posting leaving members scratching their heads .

These are some diagnostics to try . If you bring your truck to a shop , they will be trying most of these to narrow your vibration down .
Have you greased your driveline ?http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tec...rks-total.html
Do you know how to grease your driveline properly http://aftermarket.federalmogul.com/...%20FAQ%27s.pdf
Have you slid under the truck and inspected to see if any driveshaft weights have fallen off ?
Have you checked your carrier bearing https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/how-to-replacing-carrier-bearing.260283/
Does the truck vibrate in park or neutral and does the vibration change with accelerator pedal ? This is a misfire test for your engine
Does the truck vibrate while holding the brakes and hitting the gas - Automatic ? This is also a misfire test for your engine under load
Does the truck vibrate in neutral at a stand still ?or coasting in neutral ?
Does the truck vibrate in 4x4 ?
Does the truck " Only vibrate " from 1st to 2nd gear ? https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/vibration-when-accelerating-from-stop-anyone-fixed-it.300155/
Does the truck only vibrate in 2 wheel drive ?https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...differential-bearing-vibration-thread.152173/
Does the truck vibrate with the serpentine belt removed ?
Does the truck vibrate cold or hot ?
Does the truck vibrate if you select neutral and coast to a slow roll without using the brakes ? What happens when you turn the truck off in Neutral at highway speed ? Can you still feel the vibration ?
Does the truck clunk over bumps ?https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-loose-bed-design-flaw-explanation.388873/
Does the truck vibrate as you are braking ? When was your last brake job ? Consider the front rotors may be warped or the rear drums are out of round .
Does the truck vibrate with weight in the truck or empty ?
Does the truck vibrate while upshifting ? Have you checked your trans fluid ?
Does the truck vibrate while downshifting ? Have you checked your trans fluid ?
When was your last transmission fluid service ?
Is the vibration caused by your torque converter ? Tapping the brake pedal at highway speeds will release the torque converter clutch . You are not actually hitting the brakes ,but manipulating the brake switch . If the vibration goes away you can expect a misfire or a converter clutch issue .
Read here for more information regarding automatic transmission diagnostics
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...th-pics-for-second-gen-4-liter-trucks.289913/
Now that you have a lift kit installed the truck vibrates . Did you cancel your drive line angles ?
Have you looked at the condition of your tires ? Toyota says to rotate every 5000 miles .Tacoma tires must be road forced balanced using the Haweka adapter on the tire machine tsu00296.pdf
When was the last time you rotated your tires ? Are you using LUG centric aftermarket wheels that are incredibly difficult to balance ? have you considered " HUB centric rings " http://www.amazon.ca/s/?ie=UTF8&key...vptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_7ybe1f1pby_e
Have the balance weights fallen off the tires ?

A good vibration technician can tell immediately if your vibration is caused by the rotating speed of your wheels or by the rotating speed of your driveshaft .
If you go through this list carefully , you should be able to narrow down where the problem is .
The proper and only way to test for bad universal joints is with the driveshaft removed . You cant tell if the universal joints are seized or tight spots with the driveshaft on the truck . You may see play in the universal joints , but you wont be able to properly check the u-joints without removing the driveshaft .All it takes to create a vibration is one seized universal cup and there are 4 cups within each joint .
With this said , you cant tell if that cup is seized with the driveshaft connected .
Removing the driveshaft and manipulate each universal joint by hand from side to side feeling for tight spots as you go is the only way to check for bad u joints
If you beleive its bad motor mounts or transmission mounts , grab a big pry bar and pry at the mounts to see if the rubber is torn or weak .

CANCEL DRIVELINE ANGLES http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd...tion-free.html

 

I've definitely been focusing more on it being driveshaft related so the problem didn't happen before I took it to this shop to do my clutch so I'm almost at the point we're I just need to give this guy all this info and he needs to fix it

 

update. so I did the 3 u joints and the carrier bearing on the drive shaft had it balanced also and the problem has not gotten better. I have a different symptom now when I hit about 60mph and up it starts to vibrate in the floorboard when I let off the throttle I feel a stronger vibration all I can think of is it has to be something to do with the clutch job because that was what had been touched prior to this happening help!!!!!

 

New member of the ever since club... who did the u joints? Sounds like a bad u joint/ carrier bearing to me. Have you taken back to the original shop that did the clutch?

 

sounds like the guy who did your clutch did not get the driveline installed in the exact same position it was when it came apart.
There maybe another issue...THE CLUTCH. was the flywheel resurfaced or replaced? was the friction disc aligned right before install? are the pressure plate bolts torqued? is the "throw-out" bearing new and installed correctly?

with any diag start at the last work done. your truck did not vibrate BEFORE the clutch was done which means the vibration is from the clutch job, so driveline,transmission mounts, clutch.....only things to look at.

 

So the drive shaft shop that did it is like the most well known driveshaft shop around so I do trust his work hese done work for a few of my friends he also balances it and he says once it’s rebuilt and balanced it doesn’t matter if it goes in the same way it came out it’s like putting a new driveshaft in. And when I originally took it off it had markings on each side indicating it went back in the way it came out but still had the vibration .I did have the flywheel resurfaced and new throw out berring was the reason for doing the whole job so I am going to try and bring it back to the shop that originally did the work but I’m trying to figure something out before I bring it there

 

It actually does matter how it goes back together if yours has a drive shaft that comes apart near the carrier bearing. there is an angle that the bolt on part needs to be at and such....someone here did a write up on this. It was about replacing the carrier bearing.

I still stand by my original check list, tranny mount/transfer case mount, drive shaft,clutch.

these were the things touched before the vibration started, so logic dictates that ALL the stuff touched/removed needs to be checked over.

Was the shop that did yours DriveshaftPro or Drive Shaft Masters Co? these guys are the best rated in the LA area and even did a few ATV driveshafts for the shop I was at. Damn good work.

 

You're talking about at the T-case/transmission?

You're talking about at the carrier bearing.. He had a shop do the work and they balanced it so it doesn't matter how the 2-pieces of the shaft went back together because it was rebalanced as a unit.

 

Driveshaftpro did it so he was he one who told me it doesn’t matter how it goes back in. It definitely has to be something that was touched the trans mount looked fine when I just briefly looked at it but all I did was just look at it. I read stuff about the flywheel not being resurfaced properly can give similar symptoms

 

Correct

 

Re balanced as a unit is fine......as long as it was reinstalled into the carrier the same way it was put together to be balanced.....it will make a difference if you are a spline tooth off.... I would still check this. In all my years my diagnostic skills are set 2 ways, new vehicle, no history diagnose from step one.
vehicle with history, remove/replace/check last modification done. 98% of the issues are due to the last work performed.

And as far as the mounts, yes transmission and transfer case, when the trans was pulled to do the clutch the guy may have torn the mount. after all, theses are rubberish media with metal parts.

It is not a Chevy so I highly doubt you have a transfer case drive issue...The NP205 in the older K series trucks had a vib issue from the chain driven gears.

 

DriveShaftPro do good work, I'm referring to the drive shaft/carrier bearing section. the part that you need to remove to get the carrier bearing off. even if that is put together and balanced, you need to take it apart to install a new carrier bearing.....those splines need to be put back together exactly as they came apart or the balance is moot.

If this was not dissasembled then don't worry about it.

 

So the entire shaft won't be balanced if a spline off at the carrier bearing? Even though the entire 2-pieces of the shaft including the carrier bearing is balanced as one piece?

Also on this model truck they are keyed to go on one or two(180* out) ways

 

Seems to be that is the case, in yotas service manual there is even a section about reassembly of this part and how to find the angles and all that.

It should be simple, but, leave it to some engineer to over complicate the simplest of processes.

Anything that has splines or location indicators I end up scribing or in some way marking the unit. not just a small tick, I mark the whole damn thing, nuts, hubs, bearings, all of it. You should see what the engine bolts look like in some of the stuff I have done.....measurements, angles......never had an engine blow....