Rear relocation or OE for expedition build?

Decided OE king up front with SPC racing UCA. Stainless lines for front tundra brakes, rear oe brakes, and clutch system, wheelers super bumps front and rear, rebuilt lca, new rack/pinion bushings.

Decided rear ubolt flip and here's where the questions come in. I'm expecting to have approx 500lbs or so consistent in the rear and 200 front between camper, armor, winch, swingout and tools. I don't do whoops or fast anything (that's what the yamaha r6 is for) and I don't jump but wouldn't mind being able to hit dirt road washboards and handle an accidental hop. Most of what i do is fire roads, rocks, trails and a lot of highway.

I think ome Dakar and AAL are the leafs of choice.

Now for the rear shocks should I go with:


10" king with BAMF relocation that needs some modification





OE kings in OE location







OR.......oe king or ome nitros to a cross member.

 

I bought the bamf kit and it's a very heavy duty kit. I'm going to run either 10-12 travel kings in the rear. I have ome leafs and I'm going to do the flip kit and bumps when my fab guy gets off his ass and does my relocation

 

That's the option I like, most expensive but I'm curious about the weight v the suspension and what people have used and has worked for the first gens. Had a hard time finding much info

 

Yeah it's werid, the aftermarket community is working its way back to first gens. I guess we're back in style.

The way I figure it is with the relocation kit. You get options. You can run different lengths, angles, etc...

Stock mounts you basically get one. Does it fit and will it bottom out? That's just my thoughts

 

2.5x10" Kings on my own crossmember.



If you're wanting to maximize travel, forget the stock mounts.

BAMF kit doesn't get the upper mounts as high as they could be, and angle the shocks further back than ideal. Pretty easy to make your own crossmember that performs better.

 

Nice set up dude

 

Are those frame reinforcement plates in there too? And do you get full travel out of that setup and no bed modification? That's a slick setup, very similar to box rockets ome setup in the 3rd set of my photos

 

BAMF is no longer selling or producing that kit for first gens, so that option may be off the table. I am also fairly certain that oe kings will not work with more than a 1"lift and the dakars with aal will definitely give you more than that (also king smoothies are way cheaper than the rear oe's pr2010-ss are 274 each vs about 800 for the oe's ). I would definitely go the route that @Squeaky Penguin did, that's what I plan to do this spring when motorcycle season starts and I'm not depending on my truck. Check out your local metal supplier and get a piece of DOM tubing or square and then order some mounts and/or shock tabs from Ruff stuff.

 

Frame is boxed and plated. And yes, no bed modification. First thing with any shock relocation should be to get the upper mounts as high as possible.



And yes, my leafs cycled a little less than 10", and I've got the shocks setup to match that travel. Someone mentioned they cycled Dakars on a 1st gen and got 9 or 9.5", so they would be about the same.

 

How much rear lift did you pull out of this and do you run any weight in the bed? If so how do the Dakar and kings pair up feel together?

 

I don't have Dakars.

 

Now I'm curious. Do you carry weight with whatever springs you've got in there?

 

I've got at least 500lbs over stock all the time, more when I'm loaded for a trip.

I think the ride is excellent, and outperforms my ADS coilovers in the front, but keep in mind the valving of the shocks will have to be dependent to your application.

 

Oh I know it's dependant, I was talking to a guy from filthy motorsports since they make the shocks and valve them to your application but he was thinking desert (maybe he saw cali from my phone number and thought glamis and pismo) but I do more trails and rocks being near Tahoe. He wasn't confident with the bamf setup for what you said, lean angle, not as tucked as possible. He also wasn't confident about the weight in the back, said deavers are his recommendation for a bed with 300 lbs or less but didn't know enough about the ome Dakar/ Expedition spring rates and what not.

 

Ideally, the shocks should be as close to the direction of travel as possible.

Mounting the shocks || like @Squeaky Penguin, you get great damping, but axle wrap may be more of a problem unless you mitigate it (track bar, 3 link, or spring helper, etc..).

Mounting the shocks like /\, you get better articulation for a given shock travel, but damping suffers. If you want to max our articulation and not cut the bed, this is probably the way to go.

Mounting the shocks staggered like stock give good damping and helps prevent axle wrap.


As far as what shocks to use with putting weight in the bed, the springs are what do all the weight support, but a || or stock style staggered will probably be best, since they do a better job at keeping body roll in check. Only real reason, IMO, to do a /\ style is to maximize articulation without having to cut the bed.

 

So when I install my shock relocation which puts both shocks to the rear of the axle I'm probably gonna experience worse axle wrap. I get it bad as it is. Probably a good idea to look into a AAL?

I'd like to get a bud built traction bar but it's not in the budget ATM

 

More than likely, yes. However, some springs claim to minimize it by design (usually a special leaf), and there are bolt-on things that can help, too

Something like this can help.
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/goodbye-axle-wrap-mod.108316/

 

You're right about lack of info. I finally gave up and went stock locations with Fox. I also have Kings up front and wanted Kings in the back but trying to find anything close to coherent or consistent while spending $$$ was frustrating. I did pull the trigger and ordered rear Kings for the stock location in my 04...until customer service called and said it would take 3 months to build. Ah.. no. Went with Fox and for my application, couldn't be happier. (light offroading, firetrails, camping, etc).

@Kittenmittens4U is correct, King OE wont go above 1" as I called king directly. I was even prepared to drop my truck to 1 to 1.5" to achieve an all King suspension but 3+ months? Aint no one got time for dat

BAMF also is no longer making our relocation mounts, @JLee mentioned elsewhere he didnt have enough orders to justify creating/storing them. Don't blame him, doesn't make business sense.

That's all I can offer, its not much, but hope you are able to get the King suspension you want.

 

I have the same set up a set you do. Uppers, Kings up front, but incons in the rear. That's crazy I must have gotten one of the last ones but I ordered it like 4-5 months ago. What size tire are u running. I'd like to lower my coils because I'm sitting at 2.4 on the coil overs and after taking the truck to Johnson valley it does not handle wooops very well. The rear is fine but the front doesn't seem like it can handle consecutive whoops

 

I have Dakar springs but a tappered blocks for piñon angle