Death Penalty

I love when people like to try to justify their hypocrisy.

 

I am not trying to "justify" hypocrisy.
You are putting an unborn fetus and charlie manson on the same plane. Get what I am saying?
I love when people justify killing babies and not being accountable...

 

The "Right to Life" say a life is a life.

 

You can interpert what the "right to life" say. I am a common sense kinda guy and I am just asking you to see the difference in comparison to my previous comment.
We will never agree on this, I understand that. All I ask for is a LITTLE common sense.
I believe if there were a death penalty in every state, it would be a pretty big deterant of henious crimes. Then again, maybe not, because some of these type of criminals act like animals (no conscience).

 

What if the child is going to grow up to be a muderer/rapist/child molester? Then we should probably have them aborted to avoid all the suffering that person is going to cause in his/her life...

 

How do we know that will be the outcome? How about we start instilling values like accountabiltiy and responsibility into our culture again? That would be a solution for much of our problems. But lets blame the next guy for our screw ups and SUE EVERYBODY!

 

You would be wrong, since the statistical research has proven that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent -- as most violent crimes are committed as acts of passion or opportunity, or in conjunction with mental illness (i.e -- psychosis, schizophrenia, etc.) or substance usage.

www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/discussion-recent-deterrence-studies

www.truthinjustice.org/922death.htm

www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/de...ath-penalty-and-deterrence/page.do?id=1101085

Holy crap! Stats! Analysis! Non-speculation!

 

I too can copy and paste stats. all day long to support whatever it is I am trying to argue...

 

I don't think that the death penalty is a deterant at all. I think if a someone that is going to commit a crime punishable by death they don't even think about that. You have to be a pretty f**ked up person to doing a crime that would fit into that category to begin with. They would serioulsy lack the kind of intelligence to think about consequences at that point. I think the practice is draconian. Is the US prison system in need for a change in how it handles prisoners? Yes. Should the laws/punishment relating to these crimes be changed? Yes. One of the primary roles of prison is to rehabilitate the person. Granted, murderers really can't be rehabilitated, so they should have a seperate prison that is truley a prison. I mean, no TV, 23 hours a day in your cell, etc... that to me would be much, much worse than death. So we need to revamp our punishment that does not include death as an option, but we need a longer sentance to be mandatory when premeditated murder is carried out.
Also, there is 38 known cases of innocents being executed, that is not acceptable in the US.

Here is list from 2008 listing the executions by country. Notice anything about the top three?? Communist or dictatorship in the top two and top three are all human rights violaters. I guess the US might creep it's way up in years to come.

Executions in 2008, by Country

China - 1,718
Iran - 346
Saudi Arabia - 102
United States - 37
Pakistan - 36
Iraq - 34
Vietnam - 19
Afghanistan - 17
North Korea - 15

 

But you don't. And the stats and analysis I posted fly in the face of your argument. So...well...yeah, you're wrong, and I backed it up. It's not an opinion if you have proof. (Journalism!)

I actually support the death penalty in theory. But when people come around saying that it's a deterrent (it's not) or that it costs less to execute someone (it doesn't) without looking up the facts of the matter, then their argument holds no merit.

Then again, this is supposed to be a board about Tacomas, so whatever.

 

"journalism" is not "proof"
Sorry, but I am not a keyboard gangster thats going to fuel your fire and try to act like a tough guy on a fourm. If you want I can post a bunch of links supporting the death penalty, I was mearly giving my opinion.

 

Yeah... you hear about that with cases from back in the day (70s,80s, early 90s) before they did all the forensics they do now.. you rarely if ever here about someone being released for a Death Penalty worthy crime that has been commited in the last 10-15 years

 

Not really. You were saying it was a deterrent. It's not. IT'S NOT. I just gave you three links to credible sources specifically citing research and analysis on how much of a deterrent the death penalty isn't in a criminal's decision to commit violent acts.

So, your "opinion" is wrong. You have an opinion which is based on faulty information (or no information at all) and when someone calls you out on it, you get defensive and meek.

No, journalism is not proof. But if you know anything about sentence structure and logic, you'd see that it was not the point I was illustrating.

It's okay to be wrong. I was wrong about the death penalty as a deterrent and it's financial costs for a long time. Now, when I argue in favor of the death penalty, I understand not to use those lines of dialogue as they are incorrect. Learn from it.

This isn't aimed at you, personally, either. It's aimed at all people who spout their "opinions" about things they have no knowledge about, or refuse to educate themselves on.

Because when you don't, and someone presents hard evidence to contrary, you end up looking all kinds of silly, and people tend to reject your "opinions" as mere rabble.

 

Rarely ever hear about, or fail to look for?

Here's a bunch:

www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-cases-2004-present

Man, I had to really search, too. I typed "death penalty exonerations" into Google and had to click a link. Shit, I'm tired now.

 

I hate to know the prisons have more rights then the guard, they have the right not to work, 3 square meals a day, cable tv and the best health system in Usa....
I am talking about CALI prison system.

 

I get what your saying.
I guess what I should have said was; " I WOULD think that the death penalty would be a deterant..."
Thats all..

 

And just like I said of all those overturned Convictions there was like 4 cases in the 2000's all the other convictions were in the mid 90s , 80s and 70s.. so the occational scum bag gets screwed over.. but chances are they were dirt bags to begin with

 

there needs to be an adjustment to the appeals process. we need one since there have in fact been innocent people killed in the past, but it stupid to have an obviously guilty murder/rapist sititng in jail 25 years while he endlessly appeals.