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Brake pads for loaded truck, mountains (2nd gen)

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Taco TRQ, May 3, 2018.

  1. May 3, 2018 at 11:37 AM
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    Taco TRQ

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    Hey-

    What are you guys in mountainous areas running for brake pads? Lots of people like OEM, but I'm regularly in the mountains with extended downhill stretches in 100 degree heat. I'm also on 33's carrying about 1000-1500lbs over stock regularly. I bought my truck used, so I'm not sure what pads are actually in there.


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  2. May 3, 2018 at 11:41 AM
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    Are you experiencing problems now? Like fade from overheating?
     
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    Yes, no and maybe :) I have what are probably uneven deposits on the rotors now causing a pretty bad vibration when they get hot. Unfortunately the vibration also started around the time I added a bunch of weight to the truck; they never faded, but I also went easier on the brakes once they started shaking. I bought the truck used so I have no idea what pads are in there.


     
  4. May 4, 2018 at 12:29 PM
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    I've have the EBC Green Stuff pads and dimpled rotors ready to install on mine as soon as I get some time and some nice weather. I've heard good things about those.
     
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    Might seem like the obvious question, but are you downshifting on the downgrades? My OEM braking has never felt inadequate in my truck even at <6500 lbs
     
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    OEM and learn to downshift. Lots of burning brakes in the Cottonwood Canyons here in UT.

    That said, Stoptech is what I plan to upgrade to.
     
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    Prior to my BB upgrade, I used EBC yellow. Overall, I'd say my best braking upgrade was to a Seqoia master cylinder so my rear brakes actually work like they should. I live right at the base of the Cascades, so a winding, narrow, sharp turning road are normal driving for me.
     
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    @Ridgeline001 - So the Master Cylinder from a Sequoia will fit a Tacoma? Does that give you more brake fluid volume, pressure, or what? Any particular year range of Sequoia?
     
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    I order mine from stoptech performance. I don’t know what years fit but it is a bolt on with their spacer. Disc brakes need more pressure to work correctly. In my opinion, the drum brakes would be enough for 99% of drivers, but they do not get enough pressure from day 1. Drum brakes should last twice as long as the disc on the front, but there have been plenty of people getting 3x the mileage on the rear. To me, that is unsatisfactory and even unsafe. But, I’m an old fart compared to most on here and I grew up in the woods without a computer monitoring me for driving.
     
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    Yes I am.
     
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    Perhaps you should learn to read. (the original post)

     
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    I did. Didn't mean for that to sound accusatory if it came across that way.

    What I meant by my answer was many prefer to use OEM for a reason, and downshifting may help with the extra weight and tires (which wasn't mentioned in the OP). Stoptech pads and rotors are also a good upgrade if its in the budget.
     
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    The StopTech rotors linked in the post from @Clearwater Bill will provide greater thermal capacity and brake cooling, both important things to fight brake fade. The vast majority of rotors offer no performance improvement. If you want to extend the brake operating temperature so your brakes can still function while running hotter, you need semi-metallic pads. Semi-Metallics will be noisy, dusty, and hard on the rotor, which is why I stayed with ceramic and chose the TRD performance pads.


    EBC Greenstuff is a great pad for a light car. It is an organic pad which has good initial bite but also a lower effective operating temperature. When used on heavier vehicles they can exceed their operating temperature and experience brake fade. Personally I would not run organic pads on a Tacoma, especially one with added weight/larger tires.
     
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    Hmm they do provide conflicting information on their site. "They will stop faster and last longer with almost zero brake dust and are EBC’s premium offering for heavy 4x4s." but they also say "GreenStuff 7000 series material offers an entry-level performance upgrade for lighter 4x4 and SUVs"

    They also didn't seem to have any info on if they were organic or not so I couldn't see if their YellowStuff pads were organic either but those seem to be their heavy duty/towing pads. Seems like since I wanted to upgrade my pads due to the added weight I should find some new pads to buy. Glad I stumbled in here.
     
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    The Red Stuff pads are ceramic. I'd speculate the Yellow Stuff pads are semi-metallic. Ceramic pads (which is what is OEM) do not have excellent cold friction.

    Edit: And while this chart oversimplifies things a bit, rating semi-metallics and ceramics as excellent in hot friction, in a street pad you can have a higher operating range in temperature with a semi-metallic than you can with a ceramic.

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    Which is why folks who run Miatas and Civic size cars in autox like the greenstuff. Particularly beginners, as they tend to be brake stabbers, as they've not learned that the throttle and brake don't function as off/on switches on most course layouts.

    However, they are inept for HPDE events, due to heat.

    Which is why I ran Axis Metal Masters or Hawk HP+. Still nice enough cold bite, and no issues on harder runs.

    However, I agree I'd never chose those for a Tacoma. Well, 'maybe' if I was building a lowered street ride with a handling focus. :D
     
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