South Carolina: House says OK to guns under car seats

Packman73 · May 19, 2010

House members voted 104 to 0 to allow South Carolinians with concealed weapons permits to stow their guns under their vehicle seats. That's in addition to the other places already allowed by law: a vehicle trunk and glove compartment.

Read About It: The State (Columbia, S.C.)

dmbtiger19 · May 19, 2010

I'm not sure if this makes me proud or not.

Packman73 · May 19, 2010

Oswego said: ↑

I think the police will love this one.
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We'll find out. Tigerfan00 will chime in I'm sure.

What is the point of concealing a gun in a occupied car if it isn't going to be locked up?

Just my $0.02
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You can't use it if you need it if it's locked up.

Packman73 · May 19, 2010

Oswego said: ↑

I just see no need for a concealed gun in a car. Can you think of any?
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Sure;
If I don't have a trunk and I want to keep my pistol under the seat in my locked vehicle.

If I'm giving someone a ride that I am not comfortable having access to or knowing about the pistol.

Because it's America and restricting personal rights is un American.

OffRoadSigALph · May 19, 2010

Speaking from the point of view of someone who was almost car-jacked once, I firmly believe that every "responsible" adult should have the right to carry a weapon for the protection of their life, family, and property. I work hard to buy that truck, and I'll be damned if some two-bit punk is gonna take it from me. And let me tell you from experience, once the would-be car-jacker got a look down the barrel of my Glock 27, the first words out of his mouth were "I'm sorry" as he tripped over himself to get away.
Now as for making it safe to keep a loaded firearm in a vehicle, that's why I installed a Console Vault. I highly recommend it for storing your gps, radio head unit, satellite radio, and (most importantly) your gun if you plan on keeping one in the truck. Keeps your valuables safe in parking lots, compliant with the law, and still readily accessible in an emergency.

Packman73 · May 19, 2010

Concealed carry and concealing a gun are two different things.

JimBeam · May 20, 2010

ok...im not going to chime in with my personal opinion on the subject just yet because it needs a LOT of clarification...along with a successful 2/3 majority vote by the SC Senate

BUT

heres another article about it
http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=87696&catid=2

South Carolina Law allows gun owners who have a special permit to carry their weapon in the glovebox of the their car, but now, lawmakers are considering allowing them to them to be kept under vehicle seats.
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both stories imply that you must have a concealed carry permit to legally carry a loaded handgun in the glovebox or closed compartment (i.e. center console) of a vehicle but this is incorrect

per current SC law:

SECTION 16-23-20. Unlawful carrying of handgun; exceptions.

It is unlawful for anyone to carry about the person any handgun, whether concealed or not, except as follows, unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law:

(1) regular, salaried law enforcement officers, and reserve police officers of a state agency, municipality, or county of the State, uncompensated Governor’s constables, law enforcement officers of the federal government or other states when they are carrying out official duties while in this State, deputy enforcement officers of the Natural Resources Enforcement Division of the Department of Natural Resources, and retired commissioned law enforcement officers employed as private detectives or private investigators;

(2) members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Guard, organized reserves, or the State Militia when on duty;

(3) members, or their invited guests, of organizations authorized by law to purchase or receive firearms from the United States or this State or regularly enrolled members, or their invited guests, of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting or collecting modern and antique firearms while these members, or their invited guests, are at or going to or from their places of target practice or their shows and exhibits;

(4) licensed hunters or fishermen who are engaged in hunting or fishing or going to or from their places of hunting or fishing while in a vehicle or on foot;

(5) a person regularly engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, repossessing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of this person, while possessing, using, or carrying a handgun in the usual or ordinary course of the business;

(6) guards authorized by law to possess handguns and engaged in protection of property of the United States or any agency of the United States;

(7) members of authorized military or civil organizations while parading or when going to and from the places of meeting of their respective organizations;

(8) a person in his home or upon his real property or a person who has the permission of the owner or the person in legal possession or the person in legal control of the home or real property;

(9) a person in a vehicle if the handgun is secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver’s license, registration, or proof of insurance;

(10) a person carrying a handgun unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or fixed place of business or while in the process of changing or moving one’s residence or changing or moving one’s fixed place of business;

(11) a prison guard while engaged in his official duties;

(12) a person who is granted a permit under provision of law by the State Law Enforcement Division to carry a handgun about his person, under conditions set forth in the permit, and while transferring the handgun between the permittee’s person and a location specified in item (9);

(13) the owner or the person in legal possession or the person in legal control of a fixed place of business, while at the fixed place of business, and the employee of a fixed place of business, other than a business subject to Section 16-23-465, while at the place of business; however, the employee may exercise this privilege only after: (a) acquiring a permit pursuant to item (12), and (b) obtaining the permission of the owner or person in legal control or legal possession of the premises;

(14) a person engaged in firearms related activities while on the premises of a fixed place of business which conducts, as a regular course of its business, activities related to sale, repair, pawn, firearms training, or use of firearms, unless the premises is posted with a sign limiting possession of firearms to holders of permits issued pursuant to item (12);

(15) a person while transferring a handgun directly from or to a vehicle and a location specified in this section where one may legally possess the handgun.

(16) Any person on a motorcycle when the pistol is secured in a closed saddlebag or other similar closed accessory container attached, whether permanently or temporarily, to the motorcycle.
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if you read the bolded part, there is a DIRECT exception to the unlawful (without permit) carrying of a handgun that involves inside of a motor vehicle.

before i can "choose sides" so to speak, the media, or lawmakers rather, need to clarify whether or not carrying underneath a vehicle's seat would only allow permit holders to do so or anyone legally allowed to own a firearm.

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