Running OME 886 with 90021 strut

JesseGee · Jul 23, 2018

I've been searching with no luck about running 886 heavy coils with 90021 strut. I know its not recommended but trying to save some money by not having to buy the 90000 with the 886 coils. Right now i have the 887s , i'll be putting a sso slimeline bumper with winch on the truck.

Guardian · Dec 1, 2018

I've got the same question! Did you get a satisfactory answer anywhere or what did you decide on? I'm worried about being stuck with an overly stiff ride for the commute, but have a low pro bumper and winch. Hope it whatever you decided worked out!

JesseGee · Dec 1, 2018

Guardian said: ↑

I've got the same question! Did you get a satisfactory answer anywhere or what did you decide on? I'm worried about being stuck with an overly stiff ride for the commute, but have a low pro bumper and winch. Hope it whatever you decided worked out!
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I replaced the whole front with 90000 strut with 886 plus .25 spacer plates to compensate for future sags. Ride was similar to 90021 and 887. Wish i shouldve gone that route first. Now looks like im going to have to add a leaf to my el095r leaf packs too.

Leman · Dec 1, 2018

Have 886 with 90021 shocks on the way. Should be delivered Monday. I also couldn't find anyone running this combo so I decided to be a guanine pig

JesseGee · Dec 1, 2018

Leman said: ↑

Have 886 with 90021 shocks on the way. Should be delivered Monday. I also couldn't find anyone running this combo so I decided to be a guanine pig
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When i called arb they said i would be better off with the 90000 with 886 because the 90021 would be too soft for the 886 plus any weight you might have. Other ops have said they were fine with 90021 and 886 so you ahouls be good.

the.sight.picture · Dec 1, 2018

Leman said: ↑

Have 886 with 90021 shocks on the way. Should be delivered Monday. I also couldn't find anyone running this combo so I decided to be a guanine pig
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I have 887 on 9021s and will throw 886s on until i can afford kings

Guardian · Dec 3, 2018

Leman said: ↑

Have 886 with 90021 shocks on the way. Should be delivered Monday. I also couldn't find anyone running this combo so I decided to be a guanine pig
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Guardian · Dec 3, 2018

JesseGee[OP] said: ↑

When i called arb they said i would be better off with the 90000 with 886 because the 90021 would be too soft for the 886 plus any weight you might have. Other ops have said they were fine with 90021 and 886 so you ahouls be good.
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I have read the same, and it is stated in the OME manual also, but I also heard that they designed it off the 2nd Gen Taco... believing that there really wasn't any major change going into the 3rd gen. I can understand that assumption, I would make the same. I know the diff between the two is that the 3rd gen comes about a inch higher from the factory than the 2nd gen did. But I think there may be a phenomenon here... I can tell ya the hood of my 3rd gen is way heavier than my 2nd gen was... I'd guess in general the 3rd gen has more weight than the 2nd over the front tires... Perhaps someone more educated than me can chime in on this.

Leman · Dec 7, 2018

Have about 200 miles on the 886/90021 combo. loving the way it rides and handles so far. I do ride a little nose high right now, but the bumper and winch isnt on it yet.

Nimble9 · Dec 7, 2018

I've got a 2nd gen with the 886/90021 and DS lean spacer combo. I don't know if this helps, but i've got over 10k on this setup and love it. Previously I had the 886/90000 combo and It does feel "softer" from what I recall. Also my setup is with a steel front bumper and no sway bar.

Guardian · Jan 26, 2019

Leman said: ↑

Have about 200 miles on the 886/90021 combo. loving the way it rides and handles so far. I do ride a little nose high right now, but the bumper and winch isnt on it yet.
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Did you get your bumper on yet? Still loving the combo? I'm really leaning toward this option and when I get back home am going to drive over to @Toytec Lifts to discuss and price out.

Leman · Jan 26, 2019

Yep and yes. Only regret I have is not going with the HD rears.

RedBeard1 · Jan 26, 2019

The 886 has a lower spring rate than the factory coil. 886 are 660 lb factory 3rd gen OR coils are 700-710 lbs. On 886 /90001 bumper, winch, steel skids, sliders is only going to net you about 1.5” after they settle in. Case in point on my truck. Notice the ride height difference between mine and @Leman ’s truck.

There are some land cruiser 200 parts that I am looking at to remedy my front end sag and keep it all OME.

Leman · Jan 26, 2019

RedBeard1 said: ↑

The 886 has a lower spring rate than the factory coil. 886 are 660 lb factory 3rd gen OR coils are 700-710 lbs. On 886 /90001 bumper, winch, steel skids, sliders is only going to net you about 1.5” after they settle in. Case in point on my truck. Notice the ride height difference between mine and @Leman ’s truck.

There are some land cruiser 200 parts that I am looking at to remedy my front end sag and keep it all OME.
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Not sure where you got the 700lbs from. Everything I’ve read has said 540lbs.

RedBeard1 · Jan 26, 2019

Leman said: ↑

Not sure where you got the 700lbs from. Everything I’ve read has said 540lbs.
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2nd gen coils are 540lbs.

Second paragraph in this post.

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Hello all,

We wanted to post up some information about the 3rd gen suspension and what we have seen that works and does not work for the testing we have done thus far. After our truck gets back from the SEMA show, it will undergo some more testing and i will continue to update this thread with more information as it becomes available.

So lets get to it.

To answer some of the recent questions about spring rate,

We did send the springs from our 2016 out to one of our spring manufacturers to be tested for spring rate. We are doing this in hopes of developing a spring that will work well on the factory shocks and give a 2 inch lift. Similar to the 112-620 coils or the 521-600's we have. For those interested, i have posted the spec sheet. Spring rate on the factory coil did indeed come back at 717lbs/inch. Spec sheet is attached to this post

What you do need to keep in mind is that spring rate is not the only piece of the puzzle to look at. Spring length, amount of preload placed on the spring, and the valving of the shock will have a equally important role in ride, performance and lift height. While our Boss kit does have a 600lb/inch spring rate, the spring length and preload are not going to be the same as factory and the valving of the shock is much different so therefore comparing just the spring rates is not going to give you the whole picture

Springs are really just meant to hold the vehicle at ride height. The valving of the shock will have a bigger difference on how the truck rides than a small difference in spring rate will. For example, Toyota wanted the truck to be a smoother ride over bumps and such. So they typically run a higher spring rate and less compression damping so when the truck is driving down the road, those small little bumps will feel softer. Since the small bumps are not causing the suspension to travel a whole lot, the effect on the ride from the spring rate increase is negligible

With most aftermarket suspension, we do the opposite. We drop the spring rate and raise the compression and rebound valving of the shock. This helps with overall travel at slow speeds so the suspension has the ability to compress more if you are offroad. The increased valving will allow for better resistance to hard hits like hitting whoops. The downside is that the suspension will feel a little firmer over the smaller stuff like cracks in the road. However the pro's of increased damping and travel far outweigh the con of the suspension feeling firmer for most of what we do.

Another important piece is that preload only affects ride height and not spring rate or stiffness. That is provided the shock can extend the same amount that you are adding in preload. With that being said, The current Bilstein 5100 valving and adjustments are for the factory springs from a 05-15 Tacoma which are listed as a 500lb/inch rate in some OME spring guides So you are installing a 717lb spring on a shock meant for 500lb coil. This means that the preload adjustments will be very different on the 717lb 3rd gen coil compared to the 500lb 2nd gen coil. Now we do offer a 620lb coil for the 5100's but preloading it anymore than the 2nd clip causes issues.

For a visual comparison, Here is a 07 Tacoma coil, a 16 Tacoma coil, and a OME 885

Front Suspension:

When we get a vehicle in the shop, the very first thing we do is take a baseline ride height measurement so we know where the factory suspension sits and do calculations based on that to determine what ride height changes are for various setups we are testing.

The most accurate way to check the ride height is to measure from the center of the wheel straight up to the fender opening lip. This method removes the variable of tire size and pressure and only gives you the amount of suspension and/or body lift.

The 05-15 Tacoma on average, measures 20 inches in the front and 21.5 inches in the rear. The 16 Tacoma measures 21 inches in the front and 22 inches in the rear.

So being that the control arm/shock/spindle configuration is nearly identical to the 05-15, this means that the front of the 3rd gen actually sits 1 inch higher in the shock travel range. We were able to confirm this by doing a hub-to-fender measurement at full droop (24.5 inches for both the 2nd gen and the 3rd gen) and doing a measurement while sitting on the ground (20 inches for the 2nd gen, 21 inches for the 3rd gen), we can see that the 2nd gen factory suspension compressed 4.5 inches to get to ride height and the 3rd gen compressed 3.5 inches to get to ride height. Full droop stayed the same. The 3rd gens just did not compress as much.

So i bet you are asking what that means for lifting and why would i even care?

Well since the suspension is now 1 inch higher is the travel range, its actually 1 inch "lift" from the factory. The limit of the suspension is still the same 3 inches of lift so this means that over a factory 2016, you can only do a true 2 inch over how it comes from the factory. Technically you could adjust some coilovers to the full 3 inches of lift over factory but then you would end up with hardly any down travel left in the coilover and you are going to be hitting full extension on the shock all the time.

As of right now, we have tested a couple different versions of our BOSS suspension and our Bilstein coilover setup. The mounting is all they same so they bolt right up. Mainly is the lift heights that are slightly different.

Our TTHA-CK Bilstein coilover setup that is not adjustable gave a 22.5 inch hub to fender measurement. So compared to factory ride height, its only 1.5 inches higher. But it actuality, its really a 2.5 inch lift when compared to a 2nd gen.

UCA's and other stuff:

We have installed the Total Chaos UCA's on our SEMA truck and had a dealer of ours install the Light Racing UCA's. The only thing to note is that on the driver side of our truck, we had to slightly bend the hard brake line so the grease zerk on the TC's would not interfere with the brake line. I'm thinking that may have just been a manufacturing variance but still something to look out for if you are install UCA's on your 2016.

Diff drop has been installed and works just like the 2nd gens do.

Sway bar looks to be the same. The 16 uses the same sway bar relocates as the 05-15.

Rear suspension:

From the testing we have done, the rear is just about identical to the 2nd gen Tacoma. The ride height being 1/2 inch higher is a negligible difference. Our standard AAL still gives the same 2 inches of lift and the block kits are no different. No testing has been done with aftermarket leafs at this point but hopefully we will change that once SEMA is done.

If anyone has any questions. Feel free to post, PM or call us.

***Warning***
We are seeing posts in this thread recommending products for sale that are not listed by Manufacturers (Bilstien and Old Man Emu specifically) for the 2016 Tacoma.
Beware that using these incompatible parts will void your warranty from the manufacturers, in our testing OME coils did not provide the lift they do on models before 2016, these parts are not recommended for use by ARB/OME.

The factory coils on the 2016 Tacoma have a higher spring rate than any of the Old Man Emu coils (884, 885, and 886 specifically) listed for sale by some vendors here, therefore they will not give lift stated and will quickly sag and loose lift due to the lower spring rate.

We recommend calling manufacturers if they do not list a specific part for the 2016 and newer Tacoma, do Not assume any parts will work, as stated they are not the same suspension!

Thanks!
Dylan
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Guardian · Feb 28, 2019

Leman said: ↑

Yep and yes. Only regret I have is not going with the HD rears.

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Truck looks great man! Sounds like the suspension combo is working out. I called Toytec and got a good price but they also quoted me a really good price on a Toytec Boss kit... decisions, decisions... I'm on the fence now.

Nick1992 · Jan 6, 2020

Leman said: ↑

Yep and yes. Only regret I have is not going with the HD rears.

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Do you know what total lift you have now with the front bumper on? Is it steel or aluminum? I'm stuck between the 90000 or the 90021 with 886s

GrahamFoster123 · Jun 1, 2020

I have the same question I have steel bumper and winch 250 lbs and 886 springs should I get the 90000 or 90021 springs if I daily drive my single cab tacoma?

Trdtacosauce · May 25, 2021

Hey guys, do we have any long term reviews on running the softer 90021 w/886 springs?
I have a front hidden steel bumper(Warn) + winch + Trd alum skids (140lbs) and want to keep my ride on the softer side.

Cheers!

Mspike12 · Aug 24, 2021

Anyone go with the 90021&886 combo yet?

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