Next gen tundra...Thoughts?

Hybrid alone won't get you there. Read my previous post.

 

Yeah I completely agree, i don't know there are plenty of comments on that youtube video with things that people are hearing from "inside sources". Unless toyota comes out with something out of no where like you said. But then something would have to happen to the tacoma i would think. That wouldn't surprise me though with the new ranger.

This is what one person is saying "I ran this morning with one of my friends whom work for Toyota and he clarified their plans, V6turbo, with 4 electric engines driving the wheels. So 4 independent electric engines on each wheel and gas V6 turbo. He called it a 4 hybrid."

But yeah at this point it's all speculation, like you said would have to be something revolutionary.

 

No pictures, even after I FFWD the video.

 

It's comments like that that prove these people have no idea what they are talking about. A Hybrid system with 4 electric motors makes no sense unless you have a high performance vehicle that needs torque vectoring etc (think Rimac concept one). On any other vehicle it is adding cost/weight (4x motors and controllers/drives) while lowering overall efficiencies.

 

Doesnt the honda ridgeline have torque vectoring? That isn't a high performance vehicle.

 

Toyota doesn’t innovate like
That.

We have already seen the power trains for the next tundra because Toyota has already debuted them.


5.0 Atkinson cycle v8 with 10-speed (lexus LC500)

Hybrid V6 (lc500h)

Turbo V6 (LS500)



I believe the 5.0 and T-V6 get high 20s on road cars (albeit very heavy road cars) the hybrid gets 30 if recall correctly.

Toyota’s hybrid vehicles use CVTs. I can’t see a tundra using a CVT. Even if it’s the geared + CVT transmission that is in the Lexus vehicles.

 

It's all ball bearings and flux capacitors nowadays...I'm sure they will get 30 mpg.

 

It does but it wasn't done by multiple motors. The torque vectoring in the Ridgeline is done by clutch packs in the drivetrain. In normal vehicle that would be a more efficient method of achieving torque vectoring then multiple electric motors. Again the driving issue with 4x electric motors would be cost and weight. No major manufacturer who's primary goal is profitability, is going to pick a more expensive option over a cheaper lighter option.

 

I mean this is a concept i believe but it's a truck that has 4 electric motors.

https://www.tfltruck.com/2018/11/ri...rsepower-400-miles-of-range-can-this-be-true/

 

Another company that lives in a fantasy world that does not follow the laws of physics.

 

Stop. Being. Logical.

No one likes that.

 

One more bit of not physics, but economics:
You build a truck with four electric motors, batteries and a v6 turbo driving it, you add about $20K to the price. Why so much? Those motors have to be strong enough to tow and haul. Quite a bit different than a Prius.
I was on a design team several years ago where we did this hybrid design on Class VI and Class VIII trucks. We built several prototypes, including different transmissions (and two were full CVT!) and the end result was the initial price point negated the fuel savings over the life of the vehicle.

This is what is being done by Toyota engineers. Sure, they could get you to 30 or even 40 mpg. The problem is you couldn't afford the vehicle and even if you could you wouldn't save any money in reduced fuel costs over the vehicle life.

 

Makes sense...so what do you think is going to happen in the next gen tundra?

 

I can't take that guy seriously.

 

New bells and whistles, new body style maybe, more editions with even higher price tags.

 

I meant powertrain wise but yeah

 

They will use Adkinson Cycle engines. They will considerably "lighten" the truck by 500-800 lbs. It will be a bit more aerodynamic.
It will get in the low to mid 20's as far as mpg.
This is what will happen with 90% confidence.
Now, there is no reason they could not offer a hybrid as an additional option, depending on their target demographic but it will be very expensive.

You guys need to quit watching youtube and looking for clues to the next big thing lol.

People in design, development and engineering sign real serious NDA's. Real serious.

 

I wonder what is going to happen with the 5.7...if they will discontinue it or leave it as an option. Going to suck if they get rid of it. Maybe use 8 speed auto from land cruiser or something.

 

There are so many “leaks”. Diesel Tacoma and supercharged TRD PRO are common ones that have never materialized.

While I do think that companies use “leaks”, to judge the market reaction to an idea before making any official announcements just because Some of the leaks for video games and movies seem a little too accurate, I really doubt any of the leaks coming out of the forums.

I mean the TFL guys just “happened” to be driving on the highway when a prototype ford ranger was being tested right next to them last year.


If there were any legitimate leaks, TFL, redline reviews or some other automotive channel would get the leak first.

 

Use it as a boat anchor. It is obsolete and 50 year old tech. New truck will have more hp and torque.