Next gen tundra...Thoughts?

What about the tacoma? It could go on a diet. You seem to know something we don't lol. My guess is aluminum doors, hood, tailgate etc and 8 speed auto or something before major update throughout this gen.

 

Of course it could, but why?

There is a lot of emotion with vehicle owners, as evidenced by this forum. What people tend to forget is Toyota has a business model. The model is to give their customers a product with features they want that is reliable and durable. The mood of their customers right now is 20 mpg and the current price point of the Tacoma is acceptable.
However, 14 mpg Tundras are unacceptable so they will fix it.
When 20 mpg Tacomas are unacceptable, they will fix that too.

Toyota is successful because they give their.customers what they want at a price they can afford.

 

Why would it not? The less weight the better. Better performance, better efficiency. The new ranger has aluminum hood, fenders, tailgate and it has a competitive price. That isn't going to mess with reliability would it?

I don't own a tacoma yet, but i plan to. While i like the 3rd gen, when it came out and i heard it was going to have a smaller engine AND was going to be heavier it just sort of bummed me out. After all the time toyota had to update the 2nd gen i just thought they would have done more...but then again i guess why would they when at the time didn't have much competition other than the gm twins and when they get majority of sales.

I guess it comes out to what is going to happen when the new ranger comes out with real world tests.

 

The Tacoma is worst in-class on too many fronts.

It also sold 250k units in 2018. It’s now one of Toyota’s most important vehicles. At 250K, I believe that puts it right in the top 5 highest selling vehicles for Toyota.

The Tacoma is going to get a refresh sooner rather than later. Too many competitors now.

 

Give us what we want??? Really?

Ok, which of you asshats said it would be cool to go faster in reverse than in 1st?

 

Toyota only does what their customers want.
This forum is not a real world sample of owners so don't go off what you read here.
If their customers want lighter weight or better mpg they will get it, but it will only be incremental.

 

30 mpg? What does it get now, like 4?

 

And you are wrong. Again. Last time... Toyota has a successful business model. It is different than GM, Ford and Dodge. Much different.
Ever wonder why those guys price their trucks and immediately knock thousands off but Toyoa doesn't do that? How about comparing Toyota's parts department versus the big three dealer parts department.

Here's the difference.... Toyota makes their money on the front end, on the actual sale.
The big three make their money on the back end, on the service and parts business.

Why in the fuck would they want to change that. Totally different model that would require billions to change. Not gonna happen.

 

That is one of many questions I can't answer. String theory and reverse gear ratio.

 

There is literally no evidence of that being anyone’s business model. Please stop pretending like you designed the 3.5 V6, developed Toyota’s business model, all while being an efficiency expert on why Tacoma’s get shitty MPG.

Unless you designed the Tacoma, it’s all a form of self proclaimed high intelligence heresay.

 

They can’t even get a Tacoma to get 30 mpg... so yeah I’m really sure the next gen Tundra will be able to. Even if it’s a hybrid I still don’t see them achieving that.

Sounds like this guys “reliable” source is a sales guy at the local dealership.

 

As far as the 5.7 being a boat anchor, I don't think Toyota will get rid of the V8 option entirely in the next gen Tundra. I mean, it's old tech and gets horrible fuel economy if you compare to other V8s offered today. Despite this, they sell every one of them.

I suspect the V8 will stick around, with some "tricks" added to bring the EPA rating up to around 20 (VVTi-W = Atkinson). Lol, I hope they learned from their Tacoma calibration saga.

 

I read. I read quality articles written by people who know fact.
A few years ago I read an article stating average margins of new vehicles sales from the top five manufacturers. GM made and average of $15 for each of their vehicles lol.
At the time Fiat actually lost money on every new vehicle sale. Mercedes and Toyota and Honda made the most money, close to $1K per vehicle if I remember correctly.
Do me a favor... google "how do car makers make their money" and be prepared to be surprised.
One thing that will surprise you is how much parts sales are needed to companies like Jeep and Ford. They average a 2.5X margin. That's big.
Hopefully you realize I don't make shit up in any of my posts.

 

They could, it would totally kill sales because of the cost added though.
I second the dealer salesman being the source.

 

There are several reason why Toyota doesn’t Discount as much as Ford and GM. While they don’t get hit with the import tariffs like they used to that was one reason they couldn’t discount like the Domestic companies. Second GM and Ford do it to move units. Not just for sales numbers either. If inventory gets backed up they have to decrease or in some severe cases stop production. Toyota operates differently, and a lot of that is because it’s a Japanese company and Japs do things a lot differently. I experience this first hand because I work for a Japanese company that took over a Goodyear plant. Things are completely different than they were; and the production levels are way down compared to how they used to be. Even with lots of investments and new machinery. They have a different approach and philosophy.
Lastly, it comes down to money. Obviously a business is in business to make money. The Japs play it safe and keep it simple. They thoroughly think out all their investments and make sure they will yield as big of a return as possible. The Domestic companies don’t seem to follow their values anymore. They are more concerned with the quick buck, and are more willing to take bigger risks in hopes for bigger rewards. Obviously they still aim to be profitable, but they cut the fat in the areas that seem to hurt them the most, and a lot of that reflects in the quality of their products.

 

In Canada, Tundras are discounted fairly close to what the domestics are at year end. Example listed below. That $8,000 is from Toyota Canada. On top of that there is $2,000-$3,000 dealer will knock off. So $10,000 off new Tundra is easy.

https://www.heningertoyota.com/inventory/new-2018-toyota-tundra-crewmax-sr5-5-7l-trd-offroad-3/

Again, a 30mpg EPA sticker, full size truck is being sold today. Toyota could easily match that if they wanted to with the Tundra. The question is will they want to.

 

Right now you have year end clearance. Factor that with a trucks that hasn’t had a full body change in 14 model years and they are going to have to offer some discounts to move units.

 

^This^

You don't need to do a lot of research to realize this is true going back many years. What drives resale values is reliability and durability, and 85% of TOYOTA vehicles build 20 years ago are still on the road today.

But some people, can't handle truth. It does butt hurt, ouch!

 

You’re always spot on. I’m pretty sure they will use Atkinson motors as well. That’s their new trend. You’re right about people here not looking around YouTube for answers. Everything is right in front of their faces. You already know and have said it. More than likely the next gen Tundra will have to have Start Stop. It will have mostly aluminum body panels if not be fully aluminum. The frame will be lightweight strengthened steel. They will cut weight wherever possible. You want answers to Powertrain look at the current Lexus line up. Odds are very good something will be carried over. Perhaps the tundra will have a completely new Powertrain but I’m sure Atleast 1 option will be carried over from another model. Even things other automakers are doing Toyota will look at or implement.

Toyota is big on electric/hybrid and they still do a a lot of research and testing on hydrogen. I think a hybrid in a full sized tundra might be too much cost to offset. I think we are still too far out for an all electric truck, and same with hydrogen. Maybe Toyota drops a bombshell but they usually are known to play it safe. As far as NDA’s, hiPSI is right. They are very serious. Toyota’s lips are tighter than a frogs asshole. I remember seeing some leaks of the Old Silverados interior by someone who obviously was an insider. Odds are he probably doesn’t have a job anymore at GM. Stuff like that you really have to search the web to find. Companies watch for that kind of stuff and you certainly won’t find it on YouTube. You might get some spy shot photos or videos but there isn’t much you can tell from those and the automakers do everything the can to cover everything up.

 

People just don't understand lol. I've got so many NDA'S currently active I just don't talk about anything specific, just basic stuff.