Beretta 92fs or Springfield 1911 ?

45 > 9mm

 

To paraphrase the USPSA method for classifying pistol caliber into major and minor groups:
230gr bullet times 820 fps: 188600 (USPSA calls this power factor 188 (major))
115gr bullet times 1150 fps:132250 (Or, as above, power factor 132 (minor))

Seems clear enough to me.

 

Aahhh...the experts on 9mm bashing....I always ask...How many of those lame little bullets you want to eat before saying 'enough'.
Rather get hit with a pumpkin going 20fps or a golf ball going 2000fps?
Seems clear enough to me.

 

i visualized a pumpkin cannon

 

Let me help clear it up more....Major vs Minor has everything to do with handicapping the recoil characteristics and ability to place follow-up shots and nothing to do with the big, bad tough-guy image of the round you chose.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
If you want 4X the kinetic energy of your bad-ass 45acp, shoot a .223 pistol..half the diameter, 1/4 the weight.

 

Force = Mass x Acceleration, but the point remains the same

 

Meh, I've been out of school for awhile. I knew it was something like that, lol.

 

You certainly did not burst any bubble I may have had, and your attitude problem does not change my mind. For a carry piece, I choose a .45.

 

Don't confuse my attitude problem with the rampant misinformation and testosterone on this forum.
My sport and home defense firearm is 45acp.
My carry is 9x19 and I'm not concerned about it's ability to perform.

 

1911. The 92 series has a locking block that breaks after many rounds have been put through it, if it breaks when you are shooting, you are SOL. You have to disassemble the weapon and replace the locking block with a new one. Ask any Army 18B how many Beretta 92 locking blocks they've replaced. In my time in the Army I had 3 go out on mine. It got to a point that our Bravo would carry them in a spare bag. Definately not a high round count weapon. I'd throw Glock into the mix to, but since the choices have bee laid out I'd say 1911 or the XD.

 

anyone mention the HK USP yet, it's my favorite better than xd,92, and 1911 imo

 

1911...

 

After my most recent deployment to Iraq, I completely despised the Beretta 92F that I had been carrying for a year. It was extremely unreliable; and when shooting multiple rounds on target, the weapon is very unstable. It likes to climb, which adds precious seconds to multiple round target engagements. The 1911 is sweet. Extremely reliable and very stable on target. The 1911 in my opinion is a more solid weapon for similar weight and frame size. The 1911 would by far be my recommendation.

 

Welcome back.
When you say the 92 is unreliable, are you saying it failed to fire? Ever?
I would think in that environment the 1911 would have more problems from dust - on the feed ramp, the locking lugs, etc...
I'm just curious.

 

1911!!

Yes I own one.. It's the work horse of hand guns. You can dig a 1911 out of the mud and it will fire like new ..

 

i agree with the 9 being unreliable on my deployment in Afghanistan i had 2 options when riding in the turret , either a covered holster which limits access , of uncovered sitting in the dust, when attempting to fire after it would fire1 round and the slide wouldn't go all the way forward to fire again, that also put a limit on how much oil i could use , graphite didn't work much better, there were alot of people with this issue , but ak's will still fire after weeks of dust , and ARs just the same as long as the dust cover is closed

 

I know it's not part of the question, but after many years of owning many guns, I've settled on Commander size 1911s. My CDP Pro shoots better than I can, is reliable as sunrises, and is small enough to carry most of the time. Springfield's Champion series is a nice representation. I also owned an Ultra Compact that really impressed me, except for it's Hogue grip- that tends to stick to jackets.

 

Mil-spec 1911's are sloppy rattle-pigs.
loose tolerances, shoot ball ammo only and rattle like a spray paint can if you shake them...they can eat a handful of sand and keep feeding and firing...that has led to the reputation of reliability.
Modern, tight, semi-custom 1911's are not the same.