Best remote start?

In response to those of you who say "what's the big deal" when people complain because a Taco with remote start will shut down once you open a door -
My 2011 Ford has remote start and push button start. I can use the remote start, then unlock the door and get in. Then, press the button to 'fully' start the car. I am not a fan of having to 'start the car twice' whenever I use the remote start feature.

 

Yep, this auto shut off “safety feature” is just another example of BS Toyota engineering (as in head up ass)... proof is below article excerpt:


How does a take over procedure for my Push-To-Start vehicle work?

Justin Riego
January 14, 2018 20:25
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A 'takeover procedure' is in reference to how you can get the vehicle into drive following a remote start. When remote starting with a standard key vehicle it is required to place the vehicle key in the ignition before placing the vehicle into gear. If the key is not seen in the ignition the vehicle will automatically shut off when the foot brake is pressed.

This safety feature does not exist with Push-To-Start (PTS) vehicles due to the lack of the ignition cylinder. Because of this many PTS vehicles will actually shut off the engine as soon as the door is opened. However, some PTS vehicles allow a take over procedure to exist following a remote start. The take over procedure will allow you to remote start the vehicle, enter, and drive away without the vehicle's engine shutting off.

A standard sequence to initiate the take over procedure is as follows:

• Remote start the vehicle.
• Unlock/disarm the vehicle.
• Enter the vehicle and press the foot brake. (Following the disarm you have (45) forty five seconds to do this)

NOTE: If the foot brake is not pressed within 45 seconds the procedure will be cancelled and the vehicle will shut off once the door is opened.

Other procedures may exist depending upon the vehicle and intallation. If you would like confirmation of this process for your vehicle it is recommended to contact the installer.

This procedure is not available on all PTS vehicles. Some vehicles may require extra installation by the dealer in order for this process to exist. Many Toyota PTS vehicles do not allows this procedure to work.

 

Is there a bypass for the motor turning off when the door is opened and the truck has been started remotely?

 

No. No workaround. It is a built in safety feature.

 

CompuStart T11

Super long range
We don’t have cell service at my work so needing a serviced one doesn’t help.

I can start truck anywhere on site while others can’t

Worth it in end

 

12volt.solution. I like them. I’ve used them on my 2016. Just ordered one for my 2019. I don’t care that it shuts off. Not a big deal for me. I have worse problems in my life to worry about that.

 

I believe the engineer at Toyota had a hangover that day and tapped out early. Probably the same guy who put touch to enter smart handles on just the drivers door, and incandescent bulbs in PROJECTOR housing...

Who does these things? He was fully there mind wise when he tackled these things in the Prius and corolla for god sakes!

As far as having to start it again...you would be sacrificing the following because of that:

- Cool car in the summer for family,children, pets passengers or even before the groceries come out...(perishableslike milk and cheese don't like hot vehicles).
- Warm interior for passengers, or yourself
- Defrosted windshield
- Warm Seats
- Let your vehicle stretch before it's marathon for the day - (although not really needed with today's technology and engines)

To name a few..these, for most, out weigh the extra push. Now, lets not use the engine starter cycle argument at all. Your starter will outlast you, your vehicle's engine and 4-10 generations after you. I don’t know if people realize the number of cycles it’s life can handle. In the 90’s it was around 50,000 cycles. Today, especially because of auto start/stop technology on some vehicles having raised the bar on robustness, you’re talking 500,000 to 1.2 million cycles! You do the math of how much, on average, you start your vehicle per day. At 3 times per day, that’s 167,000 days to 400,000 days, or 457 years to 1096 years (the year 2476 to the year 3115)! Your engine would’ve been replacedquite a few times already if there is even any metal left on the body/frame, and we’ll be able to remote start vehicles by just thinking it by then, if we're still using automobiles by then!

And say down the road the starter did need to be replaced, what are we talking in terms of added comfort over the years? $150-$200?

So let me ask you THIS, with all that aside, you still have to come into your vehicle and start it right? And without the remote starter, you're not coming to a vehicle that has given you the mentioned amenities when you do start it.

I am not sure why this bothers so many folks...I truly would love to know why it is a deal breaker over having some of these luxuries...but I could never get a good answer that doesn't come back to starter this, starter that.

To each his own I suppose.

 

I got two N2 Design remote starts from Jimmy for mine and my son's 18 Tacomas. True plug and play, 15 min install. hands down I think its the best and his service is second to none. He gave me his cell number if I had any problems. I did have to call him on two different occasions and that was to thank him and to order another one.

 

What bothers me is I live in an oven and would like the thing to stay running when I open the door to keep the AC cold inside. When I open the door and it is 115° outside it takes all of 2 seconds for 80% of the cold air to come out, if the vehicle remains on like in a Ridgeline, then it remains cool. Otherwise there is absolutely no advantage for the remote start. There is no reason for it to shut off, security is a dumb argument if almost every other remote starter can run with the door open and no key, but die as soon as you try to do anything to the car without a key. My 1992 Pathfinder had the state of the art technology to stay running. No reason why my 2019 Taco does not.

 

Option #1:

If THAT's the reason, force these suckers down on the door jambs...problem solved. Or if technically inclined, use the signal off the remote start harness (I can guide you on my hardware which wire that is) to set a relay that runs only when the remote start runs in tandem, and use that relay to trick these limit switches into thinking the door is closed the whole time. When remote start time is up, or not using the remote start, your vehicle and lights and annoying chime all work the same natural way.




Option#2:

1. Remove screw
2. Remove rubber cover off of switch
3. Place a small square of electric tape on switch plate
4. put tiny hole directly in center of tape for screw to go back through, hole should be smaller than screw so that when the screw goes through, it stretches the tape and doesn't allow the plate to make contact with the screw.
5. Reassemble




Option #3:
You're already at the vehicle, so start it manually with one hand on the brake and the other on the ignition, then take your fob with you.

 

Same hardware. We both source from the same vendors, but I'm priced differently, to allow you some spare $$$ for your next mod.

 

This brought tears to my eyes...thanks!

 

Jimmy, using option #2 does this allow the lights to come on when you open the door? I might try this. Please explain a little more about taping over the contact method. What features do you loose by doing this?

 

I would have bought from Jimmy but 12volt had a sale that was too good to pass up. It was almost half price off.

Interested as well.

 

@N2DesignsInc , how long does the engine stay on with your unit?

 

I appreciate your efforts to develop an acceptable work around in regards to Toyota’s primitive start system engineering. From my OCD perspective, the cut off issue has never been about starter cycles, rather the stupidity of design function (not remote start developers fault). To me, the cut off “feature” is like having a smart house that turns on the lights, sets music, and activates the window blinds as you drive into the geofence area... then turns everything back off when you open the front door..!

I can just see it now... I remote start the vehicle as I’m checking out of a store with a friend. We walk up to the truck and I open the door - then the Truck purposefully stops running. Since this is the first time said friend witnesses the Toyota remote start action, he turns to me and says WTF? I’m simply forced to reply, shitty Toyota engineering. I’m sure I’m not alone when I say, “I just want things to work in a logical and reasonable way”... so any acceptable work around would need to have zero effect on normal vehicle function.

Just my 2 cents worth... is it a deal breaker? Depends on many factors such as where one lives and the value of sighted “luxuries”. I have a Mercedes with remote start on a PTS system now, that vehicle works exactly as expected (so we know it can be done without security issues). Toyota isn’t a luxury auto manufacturer, so I’ve learned to manage my expectations with this truck. I asked the salesperson about why Toyota didn’t offer remote start on my truck during the test drive. He said it was a cost function. Since then, I’ve returned to the dealership and informed the same salesperson that he might be mistaken, and in fact the system is subpar and if installed as is, would just piss customers off as they opened the door to a running vehicle and it shuts down (and the customer says WTF)!

 

Whatever depends on knowing your vehicle is closed, I.e. interior lights, headlights, locking your door while it’s open (when it screams at you saying it can’t, meaning now you can potentially lock your keys in), radio when exiting, automatic locking/unlocking when driving off, parking, and whatever else I’m not thinking of...that’s why I DONT promote this. You’re on your own if you do this hack. That’s why I say use a relay so this is only faked during remote start and not any other time, not even regular start.

 

Yea, that’s because they’re bitter at me haha...I’ve got the biggest player in the game stressin over me, I am humbled and honored but also shows you how low they can go while profiting, and how much of a mark up they’re tacking on to unsuspecting folks. I created this to NOT to that to people. I’m not greedy nor into robbing people of hard earned cash!

 

Default is 15 min but I can change that prior to ship to other pre-fixed times on PTS. I prefer not to because long idling isn’t healthy for your engine so I don’t make any mention any longer.

 

I can respect this. I do not consider my little trick a work around as it does come with other draw backs. It's mickey mousin' it so I don't even promote it. I'm OCD too so my vehicle needs to work perfectly without add-ons conflicting. This includes my trucks and my hardware. Disabling one thing to make something work the way I want it while creating other nuances is not my cup of tea. Some might not care as much as me which is why I threw it out there about the door limit switch hack.

Would having to explain to my friend why it cuts off out weigh getting into a warm defrosted vehicle in the winter or cool car in the summer? To me, personally no. I'm not his chauffeur so my and my family's comfort would come first. Plus explained once to this friend, never again after...I'm not once concerned with anyone's perception of accessories I add which operate in a fashion I have no control over.

Toyota did cut costs in places where it is just not understandable, which is my point about touch to enter smart handles on just the driver's door, and incandescent yellow bulbs from the 90's in nice projector housings, no power locks on tailgate standard...who does that!?!? They must've learned because 2020 comes with smart handles all around, and LED bulbs...so they probably cut costs somewhere else...I don't want to even ask...they probably forwent the gas tank and engine to give 2020 Carplay and a larger screen that displays side view cameras when signaling, front camera, overhead camera and so on...somethings I just don't understand, the PTS kill upon entry is one, but I kind of do understand on other things...if you want people to keep buying a vehicle body that's unchanged, you can't giv'em everything at once...you have to have them wanting more, and coming back for something, right?

The engine kill can be bypassed, takes extra work, not a plug n play solution, not for the unskilled so as a business, it's not worth the hassle. Plus should this person do something that yields unintended results, I as a business will not be backed by Toyota or the remote starter manufacturer. I would be on my own...not taking that risk whatsoever.

Your salesman is a typical salesman...ignorant. Toyota dealerships buy from me. They get it. And that scenario you've outlined is in my opinion not a very big deal. I don't think it would piss customers off...the pros out weigh the cons. I don't see a customer saying "I'm not buying a Tacoma because of this, or returning the vehicle to have it uninstalled or returning it period for a refund because of this", do you?