1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

What is an Officer?

Discussion in 'Military' started by 95 taco, Apr 22, 2019.

  1. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:21 PM
    #21
    crazysccrmd

    crazysccrmd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2016
    Member:
    #181592
    Messages:
    8,369
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    Aprilia Tuareg 660
    Yes, but nearly all of them require prior service as a NCO in their feeder MOS and are not open to civilians. Unless @95 taco is dedicated to the long game or wants to fly in the Army being a warrant officer isn’t really an option.
     
  2. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:24 PM
    #22
    JdevTac

    JdevTac Bawnjourno

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2012
    Member:
    #70234
    Messages:
    6,034
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Josh
    GA/WA
    Vehicle:
    2nd gen
    I’d only join if there were incentives for whatever degree/profession you are going after.

    I went the medical route and it’s been good to me, but the military is on the verge of undergoing some serious cuts in the overall scheme of things and some interesting restructuring at least of medical professions, so much so that questions were raised by higher ups on why the fuck we even have military hospitals. My profession is facing major cuts so we shall see how it plays out. Active duty positions will be converted to civilian. This is likely not so much an issue in reserves, but if you want to go active duty it may be depending on what you want to do.

    It’s also likely that we are seeing the typical period of time where big cuts are the current fad until we get a few years or a decade down the road and the realization hits that we need people back.
     
    95 taco[OP] likes this.
  3. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:27 PM
    #23
    4x4Runner

    4x4Runner Sam’s gone, man. Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2006
    Member:
    #7
    Messages:
    25,225
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Drunken Sailor
    Not north, not south, not west, mostly east
    Vehicle:
    1WD
    nuttin fancy
    So...the whole 20 year retirement...it’s a bust now. They offer Blended Retirement System to new active duty accessions. This is a good thing because it doesn’t tie you too a full 20 years and when you leave the service, that money the organization and you have invested goes with you.

    Here’s a link on it. It’s a lot to digest.
    https://militarypay.defense.gov/blendedretirement/


    What is an “Officer”. You got your enlisted and you got your commissioned officers. On the enlisted side you start as an E1 this is your freshest of the fresh new guy all the way up to E9 the saltiest of the salty. E10 if you’re the lucky one that become the top enlisted person for your service. Enlisted are your tradesmen and skilled labor. You specialize in a job field. In some services the rate (Navy and CG) or MOS (Marines, Army and AF) is very specialized and really does a specific job. Like my rate in the CG. I’m and IT but my IT job is more jack of all trades than a Navy IT. I work on everything from servers and workstations, switches and network routers, installed cabling infrastructure, TDM microwave equipment, tower climbing, fiber optic installations, etc, etc, etc. A Navy IT (from what I understand) is a lot more specialized. They might just work on servers only, or just network switches and routers only.

    Officers are more your leadership and guidance types that have a specialty. Think of them as a site foreman or a manager. They are the ones who manage the day to day operations and ensure the work is done. They do a lot of paperwork too. Issue papers, white papers, presentations, etc.

    What’s the most dangerous thing a Ensign or 2nd LT fresh from the academy can say? “Based on my experience”
     
  4. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:30 PM
    #24
    95 taco

    95 taco [OP] Battle Born

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Member:
    #78175
    Messages:
    17,470
    Vehicle:
    2003 4x4 TRD SR5 auto
    OME 883 front, OMD 3.5" rear, Relentless front bumper, smittybilt 9.5K winch
    311A looks interesting.

    I don't really go to parties.

    Air to Air refunding sounds more challenging.
    Thank you Sir.

    Thanks for the correction.
    I'm halfway to my Applied Technology BS so I don't think I'll be switching to PA, I had just mentioned it because it appears that they are the only degree that are a direct acceptance.

    Every prior service guy (and gal) I've talked to has said to definitely go officer so you just weighted the scale even further that direction.
    I've looked at OCS and it seems like a good option if I were to go enlisted first, but I don't know that I want to go E first.

    Typically I enjoy doing the job itself, but supervisory is bearable.
     
  5. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:36 PM
    #25
    4x4Runner

    4x4Runner Sam’s gone, man. Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2006
    Member:
    #7
    Messages:
    25,225
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Drunken Sailor
    Not north, not south, not west, mostly east
    Vehicle:
    1WD
    nuttin fancy
    If you want to be an ME you’ll have to go enlisted. Officers don’t really have much of an option to go a specialized Le route in the CG. Very small pool of them but it’s not impossible.

    Your job field as an ME is mainly the deplorable specialized forces and base security departments (base security is kinda a small pool). The Maritime Security Response Teams (east and west) are your high risk short notice maritime response guys that kill a lot of paper and scurry down the ropes out of helicopters. Maritime Safety and Security Teams are the more prevalent units that go out and provide security zones, vessel boardings

    Check this link out for a little more amplifying information on those two units.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployable_Operations_Group
     
    95 taco[OP] likes this.
  6. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:39 PM
    #26
    95 taco

    95 taco [OP] Battle Born

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Member:
    #78175
    Messages:
    17,470
    Vehicle:
    2003 4x4 TRD SR5 auto
    OME 883 front, OMD 3.5" rear, Relentless front bumper, smittybilt 9.5K winch
    I would get an $8K bonus for Navy.

    I'm going with a general Applied Tech BS so it's applicable to several different rates.

    I'll read up on Blended, the guys I've talked to were grandfathered in so they know nothing about it.

    Interesting, so if you go in as an Officer can you Re-Up as Enlisted?

    Thank you for the Information.
     
  7. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:41 PM
    #27
    crazysccrmd

    crazysccrmd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2016
    Member:
    #181592
    Messages:
    8,369
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    Aprilia Tuareg 660
    The path to get there is not easy. You must be an E5 or higher and have a minimum of two years experience in the 31D MOS. To become a 31D you must have a minimum of two years experience in the 31B MOS. In other words to become a CID warrant officer you’re looking at a about five years after you first enlist as an Army MP (31B) before it is even possible to put in a packet for selection.
     
  8. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:44 PM
    #28
    4x4Runner

    4x4Runner Sam’s gone, man. Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2006
    Member:
    #7
    Messages:
    25,225
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Drunken Sailor
    Not north, not south, not west, mostly east
    Vehicle:
    1WD
    nuttin fancy
    I am grandfathered but still had to read up on it and take the training so...if those guys are still in they should know about it.

    No, enlisted can go Officer but not the other way around, well unless you’re enlisted and go OCS and decide to resign your commission. Officers serve at the pleasure of the POTUS too. They don’t reenlist.

    If you were to join and either go direct to OCS or Direct Commission you’re an officer and that’s it. Can’t change your mind and say you want to be enlisted after you’ve received your commission.
     
  9. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:45 PM
    #29
    95 taco

    95 taco [OP] Battle Born

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Member:
    #78175
    Messages:
    17,470
    Vehicle:
    2003 4x4 TRD SR5 auto
    OME 883 front, OMD 3.5" rear, Relentless front bumper, smittybilt 9.5K winch
    Enlisted may be my best option for CG, at least for a few years and then look at SRDC to go Officer.
    Thank you for the Link, and the clarification.
     
  10. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:51 PM
    #30
    95 taco

    95 taco [OP] Battle Born

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Member:
    #78175
    Messages:
    17,470
    Vehicle:
    2003 4x4 TRD SR5 auto
    OME 883 front, OMD 3.5" rear, Relentless front bumper, smittybilt 9.5K winch
    That's an awful lot of work, I think I would be happier going enlisted reserve in CG and going for ME or Investigator.

    I think the most recent one got out 4 years ago, but it could've been longer.

    Interesting, that is good info.
    I'll read up on Direct Commission, from what I understand OCS is a 12 week condensed school.
     
  11. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:55 PM
    #31
    4x4Runner

    4x4Runner Sam’s gone, man. Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2006
    Member:
    #7
    Messages:
    25,225
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Drunken Sailor
    Not north, not south, not west, mostly east
    Vehicle:
    1WD
    nuttin fancy
    I’ll have to check to see if the ME school list is still closed or if it’s opened back up. When a wait for a school gets to be a certain time they don’t accept anymore people to be added to the list. I want to say 4 years but don’t quote me on that.

    Now, if you go enlisted you’re gonna come out of Boot as a “non rate” an E2 or possibly and E3 if you were an Eagle Scout. The job as a non rated isn’t the most pleasant and you’re at the bottom of the food chain. This means the shitty jobs like mess cooking on a cutter or doing clean ups at the station. Sure, you’ll still get to do cool shit on the boats and cutters so don’t think that being a non rate will limit you from that.

    Being a non rate is good cause you can get to interact with different rates and see what they do and who knows, might change your mind and choose something else.

    I was a non rate on one cutter (Boutwell WHEC 719) out of boot camp and for 60 days at a time my job from before the ass crack of dawn until after lunch, then from before dinner to around 2100 was to wash dishes. I was also the non rate for the wardroom so my job was to take the officers orders, get their food from the cooks and serve them. Then, when they were done I had to take their plates and utensils back and wash them. Between lunch and dinner I had to work on my watch qualifications and damage control PQS which included ships drawing (you draw out most all the systems on the ship so you know where valves are, pipes are and how they work). One example is the fire main, from sea chest to nozzle.
     
    95 taco[OP] likes this.
  12. Apr 22, 2019 at 6:59 PM
    #32
    6L PSD

    6L PSD Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2009
    Member:
    #25129
    Messages:
    77
    Gender:
    Male
    North Pole, AK
    Vehicle:
    '11 4x4 DCSB OR TXP
    Fogs anytime, locker anytime, Moose lights (Lightforce), Randy Ellis Design light bar
    Have you checked on any ROTC programs at your school. The way I understand it if you're accepted into the program it's like a scholarship, and you get a per diem at E-5 rate. When you graduate you hit OCS if you haven't completed all the requirements...but pretty sure that's what you spend summers doing. Anyhow, at the end you receive your commission.
     
    95 taco[OP] and uploadadventure like this.
  13. Apr 22, 2019 at 7:03 PM
    #33
    Zack Fair

    Zack Fair Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2019
    Member:
    #290047
    Messages:
    8
    Vehicle:
    2019 Tacoma TRD Pro
    None
    This option is actually out there believe it or not.
     
  14. Apr 22, 2019 at 7:14 PM
    #34
    95 taco

    95 taco [OP] Battle Born

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Member:
    #78175
    Messages:
    17,470
    Vehicle:
    2003 4x4 TRD SR5 auto
    OME 883 front, OMD 3.5" rear, Relentless front bumper, smittybilt 9.5K winch
    ME and PA A schools opened back up 04/01/2019 according to what was sent to me and posted on this forum.

    Non rate sounds interesting, your particular job doesn’t sound like a party though.
    From my understanding you’re a non rate until you are accepted into your A school, correct?

    It’s interesting they had you do ships drawing, I can understand why but it seems unorthodox.
     
  15. Apr 22, 2019 at 7:16 PM
    #35
    95 taco

    95 taco [OP] Battle Born

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Member:
    #78175
    Messages:
    17,470
    Vehicle:
    2003 4x4 TRD SR5 auto
    OME 883 front, OMD 3.5" rear, Relentless front bumper, smittybilt 9.5K winch
    I have not, I know almost nothing about ROTC but I’ll look into it. I hadn’t thought about it working with me already being partway through my degree.
     
  16. Apr 22, 2019 at 7:19 PM
    #36
    vertrx7

    vertrx7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2018
    Member:
    #242607
    Messages:
    309
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rolf
    I retired as an USAF JAG after 20 years. Had both active duty and reserve. Although the JAG accession process is a bit different as we direct commission, the regular path to be an officer is to go through ROTC, the Academy or the various OCS/OTS variables. So, first, get a Bachelors. Investigate ROTC especially if you can then move into the reserves. Army OCS is essentially going to basic with enlisted and then going on to OCS where you also go through that version of basic. The Navy requires you to take an accession test. Once you get a score of over 50, you'll go to their version of OCS in Rhode Island. No going through the enlisted basic like the Army. The Air Force does Officer Training School (OTS). Right now, I don't think they are bringing anyone on as they are getting most of their officers right now from the Academy and ROTC. Definitely check on that with an officer recruiter as with any of the other services. That also sets you up for getting real time information in regard to the details in terms of the various OCS/OTS opportunities.
    I can tell you from experience that the reserves are the best part time job with a retirement! if you get to retirement, you get a version of the medical plan, base access/benefits and a host of the benefits. Also, there are some employers that will keep paying your salary while you are doing your training. A job with the Federal Government gives you those benefits as an example.

    Finally, if you are called upon to deploy or take an extended tour, due to USERRA, your job and benefits are preserved. Enforcing those rights is also protected through the application of penalties and attorneys fees.
     
    95 taco[OP] and uploadadventure like this.
  17. Apr 22, 2019 at 7:28 PM
    #37
    4x4Runner

    4x4Runner Sam’s gone, man. Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2006
    Member:
    #7
    Messages:
    25,225
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Drunken Sailor
    Not north, not south, not west, mostly east
    Vehicle:
    1WD
    nuttin fancy
    That was only for 60 days. I was in the engine room as a FN so after my mess cooking duty was over I was working in the engine room and engineering plant.

    Ships drawings may sound unorthodox but it’s necessary. If something happens and you’re the only one around.how would you know which valve to close or open? Sure, there compartment check off lists (CCOL’s) but you still need to be familiar with what is essentially your home while underway.

    Yes, you’re a non rate until to go through a school and graduate.
     
    95 taco[QUOTED][OP] likes this.
  18. Apr 22, 2019 at 7:30 PM
    #38
    zippsub9

    zippsub9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2014
    Member:
    #141634
    Messages:
    4,305
    Gender:
    Male
    Halfmoon, NY
    Vehicle:
    14 DCLB
    Shit bolted onto other shit, and junk.
    Really surprised by the flood of information here versus what military want to respond to when asked this question. As enlisted and an officer, you can be as involved and hands on as you want. Show respect, treat people with dignity and be willing to learn. Or you can be satisfied as a blissfully ignorant manager of your field. It is really up to you. Coast guard probably provides the least flexibility because they are small and can be picky when recruiting. They are in high demand. Army is probably the most versatile. My wife retired as a Marine. The Army recruits the equivalent of the entire Marine Corps in one year. There are always options, where there is a will there is a waiver. Whatever you do, it will be what you make of it. Don’t do it for the money, even officer.
     
  19. Apr 22, 2019 at 7:32 PM
    #39
    StAndrew

    StAndrew Wait for it...

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2010
    Member:
    #30950
    Messages:
    8,311
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chris
    Hampton Roads, Va
    Vehicle:
    SR5 4x4TRD
    Intake, exhaust, lift. Typical stuff.
    Over paid idiot between O1 and O3. Hopefully he knows what he's doing by O4.
     
    95 taco[OP] and zippsub9 like this.
  20. Apr 22, 2019 at 7:33 PM
    #40
    zippsub9

    zippsub9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2014
    Member:
    #141634
    Messages:
    4,305
    Gender:
    Male
    Halfmoon, NY
    Vehicle:
    14 DCLB
    Shit bolted onto other shit, and junk.
    Ahhhhh, there it is!!! Tally.
     
    StAndrew[QUOTED] and 95 taco[OP] like this.

Products Discussed in

To Top