Quality of Tacoma in Mexico verses Texas built.

Your last name Koch?

 

Bad for business, not for employees. They force the companies to pay a living wage, quality benefits, decent retirement. The businesses can afford it. They're large global corporations, not some mom & pop store facing hardship.

Don't feel bad for the corporation, feel bad for the worker.

 

Feel bad for the worker? Is some one holding a gun to their head telling them if they don't work for a certain company they will kill their whole family or something?

 

You hear the horror stories of working in the Amazon warehouses? If you don't have a higher education and aren't particularly skilled, your choice of jobs are limited. Your town may only have 1 large employer and workers don't have a choice about where they work because they can't afford to move anywhere else.

 

Yes, feel bad for the workers, if left to their own, how much do you think these big companies will pay you? It's been proven since time can remember, the rich barron wants all the money, he HAS to pay his employees, doesn't want to.

 

Boo fuking hoo
Nobody’s forced to work anywhere or for anyone.

Everyone makes their own bed. Some choose to shit in it and expect someone else to clean it up.

 

For me, I look for US made/built/ assembled products because at the other end of that product is someone like me providing for a family, spending money supporting others living here and paying US taxes.

I like products that are well built and will hopefully last a long time.

I will pay more for such a product, because in the long run it is less expensive.

I looked at the GM midsize trucks and the TX built Tacoma felt like a better buy.

So far, so good.

 

Except a SIGNIFICANT factor in whether you're successful or not is pure luck. The circumstances you're born into, genetics, etc. You ask some CEO about how he "worked hard" to get to the top, and you'll hear about studying in college, and spending long hours in meetings and on the phone hustling. When you ask a Mexican immigrant about hard work, you'll hear about being bent over in a field picking lettuce or digging ditches. "Hard work" is relative. And just because someone works hard doesn't mean they'll be able to improve their station in life.

Hard work is required, but it not even close to the only factor which determines success. Claiming that we all make our own bed and if we're stuck in a minimum-wage job or in poverty that it's our own fault is bullshit. It might be true in some cases, where people had privilege but pissed it away, but for the most part those folks were fucked from the start and had no chance of success regardless of how hard they worked.

 

Tijuana Tacos FTW boys

Zero assembly issues with mine.

 

I work for unionized company. It’s a success largely because of the unionized employees. We hired 11 people this month, growing the company by 10% in a small market, out of demand for our services. The higher wages allows us to attract better people and effectively steal the top performers from the non-union sector by offering a better package. It’s been this way for over 30 years where I live. The company I work for is privately owned and has been in business for over 100 years. The non-union companies in our market are lucky to last 10 years due to poor worker retention, and their top people leaving to come work under a better arrangement like we offer, or work for themselves or government.

If we took away the benefits offered by the union package, we’d have a very tough time competing. Our company can charge top dollar for the services we provide (we have the most expensive rate in town), simply because we attract the very best, most efficient and knowledgeable people with our union affiliation. It’s a win/win for the company, because you make more money with better people.

Im sure it’s the same in its way at Ford. They’ve got career people building their trucks, not fly-by-night part-time, inefficient, ex sandwich artists.

Just my experience. This argument is as old as the hills, and never changes. Struggling non-union fellas and part-time capitalists arguing how unions will destroy America, while America goes on doing its same thing decade after decade after decade.

All a union agreement is, is a list of minimum workers rights. If you don’t think workers should have rights, well......start a sweat shop or something. I won’t stop you.

 

Yes I have and I wouldn't work there.
I dont have a degree and have a fantastic job, we have so much knowledge at our fingertips. Stop using the interwebs for cat videos and TW and you may learn something and gain some skills.
Are these workers geo locked to only their town? Can't get a job a town over? Why do they have to stay there? I moved half way across the country with shit and built a better life for myself. People can do it, but choose not to.

 

It takes all kinds to make a world..

 

I don't think workers having minimum rights is the issue. The issue is that in a free market world, a company has to stay competitive or risk going out of business, period. At the end of the day, the problem isn't unions vs. no unions, it's that the consumer decides what the value of a product is, and if two products are built with near identical quality, but one is much cheaper due to being made at a non-union company, guess which one the consumer is going to purchase?

Union, non-union, it doesn't matter. The product being sold is what matters. If it's a good value, then the company will succeed. If a company can pull off being unionized and having happy workers while producing great products that are in high demand by customers, then that's fantastic.

 

The full truth!

 

You can bet your 401K on that.

 

If you get up and go to work every day you're supposed to and save your money you'll do fine anywhere. You don't need a union. Public pensions\benefits are as bad as union ones and will eventually bankrupt everything.

 

Yeah, I guess if you're a whining pussy that thinks the only road to success is taking what other people earned from them. Most poor people aren't poor because they are held down by society, they're poor because they are stupid with money. They may not have a decent car or be able to afford to own their home, but they always have money for cigarettes, lottery tickets, weed and alcohol. Invest that in your future and you can break the generational poverty cycle.

The fact that millions of immigrants and/or US citizens started with nothing and elevated themselves by hard work, common sense and economic discipline is rejected by the instant gratification crowd.

 

Well this thread got all boot strappy.

 

Union member since 1998. I find that the people who trash unions have never had the luxury of belonging to one. Union for Life