3rd gen Magnuson Supercharger release March

Just because a part you added requires maintenance does not make it not reliable...Also there is more to maintenance per toyota that what you suggest so I'm not sure where you are getting your ideas from.

 

What I'm describing is not maintenance, it's major dollar repairs due to breakage. You can't maintain what broke. Let me ask you a question, if you spin a main engine bearing are you performing maintenance on your truck or major dollar repairs due to breakage?

I'll give you a little homework assignment (just for debates sake) go price me out a turbo and it's appropriate wastegate assembly and you tell me whether or not that is or is not a major dollar repair (assuming you have to replace it because it is broken).

It was just an example bud. I'm WELL aware that Toyota recommend more maintenance items per the FSM and even the user manual.

 

So now cost makes something not reliable? You are now making assumptions that these turbos are going to blow left and right. Can I borrow you crystal ball?

 

Sigh...there is so much misinformation about turbos vs superchargers in this thread.

Turbos are so bad Toyota's putting a twin turbo 3.5 in the next gen Tundra. And a turbo 4 cyl in the next gen tacoma.

Want to see UNRELIABLE supercharger? Go check out the endless amount of blown up TRD SC Tundras.

Superchargers and turbochargers do 1 thing. Force additional air into an engine.

There are 2 things that make or break ANY forced induction setup.
1. Parts design
2. Tuning.


Go slap a TVS2650 on a 4.0 tacoma and watch it explode on first pull.

The reliability or feasibility all comes down to the design and the tune.


The Magnuson kit is very nice, and will definitely be a great option. But let's get our heads out of the 90s and understand turbochargers 25 years ago are nothing like today.

 

Yes I am assuming that these turbos are going to blow left and right because I have seen that many turbos blow left and right. It's just a game of numbers.

Hell yeah cost makes something not reliable. Why did you buy a Toyota? Because it is reliable and cheap to service right? Why didn't you buy Mercedes?

If you install FI on it you just threw the reliable and cheap thing out of the window because you added complexity to the engine. It's no longer reliable because you will have to wrench on it more often and it is not cheap because FI parts are not known to be inexpensive.

 

So you know nothing about this turbo set up but are convinced they are going to blow left and right....awesome, thanks for admitting you have no clue.
I bought this truck because its a truck I have always wanted. We bought my wifes GX for reliability though.

Quick question.....do you have a 3rd gen?

 

Like I said earlier, I'm done here. It's like attempting to debate with a brick wall. You enjoy your boost, whichever route you go with. I'll see you on the BS threads because I know how you get down with the BSery.

 

You did say that earlier, and then kept coming back......so you're either a liar or disingenuous.

Is that a no? No 3rd gen? Then why do you care?

 

I'm assuming these turbos will blow because I've seen turbos blow left and right.


We are not using some cheap Chinese BS.

Garrett and borg warner turbochargers are extremely robust and will likely out live engines they are on. Go Google about it because this comment is ignorant.

 

Both kits require install, the turbo install would not be 2k more then the supercharger install.

 

My '93 MR2 Turbo with 215k kms (owned since 2000) has proven to be very reliable but it has been mostly summer driven and babied.

Toyota over built and over engineered the MR2. The 3S-GTE engine was designed from the ground up as a turbo with cast iron block, aluminum cylinder head designed and built by Yamaha featuring extra oil passages for increased cooling. It also has a pent roof combustion chamber. The turbo is small and only puts out 7-8 psi. And like all Toyota engines of the era it is non interference, which means no engine damage if a timing belt breaks. I think the current Taco 3.5L is an interference engine.

My point is that even though Toyota reliability nowadays is not quite what it was in the 90s, I still prefer the factory design and implementation over aftermarket when it comes to turbo or supercharger.

 

Shit got real, fast in here. I was only gone a few minutes!

 

I was joking a bit, but the install will be more intensive than a supercharger install. @OVTune correct me if i'm wrong. I've only ever had turbo experience, and like I said they don't have to be any less reliable than a SC. I used to have a diesel Jetta that blew up a big turbo because of tuning (luckily KermaTDI is a great place to buy from and replaced it), but once I had proper tuning it ran no problems for the rest of the time I had it. The reason I'm not going turbo is I don't need max power from the taco, I only want more power simply, and Magnuson warrantying it is a bonus. You do need to supply the turbos with oil though, and I don't want to tap into my oil pan, again for my goals with the taco it's just too much engine work. I also want the linear pull of the SC. I know turbos have come a long way though so that's barely an issue anymore so I don't need anyone to defend that. Also from what I've seen OVTune makes a quality product. I don't have his tuning, but enough people on the forum do for me to believe he's going to put out a quality product. I hope lots of people do turbo their tacos and make me jealous of my future wimpy SC powered taco. I love having a platform that has so many mod options for whatever direction you want to take your truck.

 

No im just a consumer that needs more HP under the hood. I have no Affiliation with Magnuson although I am trying to be an ambassador for their company but I’m not approved yet.

 

called it

 

Yup. Appreciate the honesty though

 

Honestly the install is not that difficult. Since this engine has no traditional header, and only has a single exit port for each bank, it makes installing it quite a bit easier than a traditional twin turbo kit.
Tapping the oil pan is not *required* with our base kit, as we have a drain setup that functions with the stock oil drain bolt, BUT you must have a skid plate, so...it's either have a skid plate, or tap the pan (but we plan to sell pans..).
Turbo vs SC "reliability" can be debated until the end of time so I'm not going to go there.

The Magnuson SC is a very nice unit. I can see why it will be very popular, and is a great option.
Our turbo kit isn't designed for maximum power. It's designed specifically to maximize torque from 1500 to 4000 rpm.


I don't know the details of the magnuson S/C install, but I have installed a harrop S/C on our R/D Tundra and it's not exactly "simple." It's definitely an all day job, and requires taking off almost as much stuff as the turbo kit.

 

Great info and thanks for clearing things up. I wasn't thinking about new engines not really having headers anymore!

I'm going back to keeping an open mind since I probably have at least 6 months before getting any sort of FI, and will be paying attention to both turbo and SC options. Like I said in a previous post I hope once everything is done and dialed in please start a new thread with everything all in one. Thanks for also innovating on the 3rd gen taco platform!

 

You found someone with common sense. The stock Raptor 1st gen with the 6.2 has 411 HP, 4 Wheel disc brakes, a better suspension, better interior and the balls to launch after putting in a frame reinforcement kit. If I was looking to build a fast desert truck the Tacoma wouldn't even make the list. Yeah sure i'd be starting with an old truck, but if you're going mod shit and throw out stock parts what's the point in buying a new truck?

It should be interesting once people start bolting these on. I don't think it makes any sense in terms of bang for the buck

Cost of truck

Cost of supercharger

Cost of decent suspension and you're still not even at Raptor levels of off road performance

 

Ecoboost is a more modern, better engineered engine than the 2gr and it is built for the twins from the get go.

Where do you have this info about turbo engines in the next gen trucks other than rumors on the forum?

I want to believe that they'll lift the turbo 3.4 from the Lexus lineup for the Tundra. But if they use the turbo 2.0 for the Tacoma it will be an unimpressive hog without some rework, even slower than the 3.5. Of the 4 turbocharged 2.0s I've driven, the Lexus was the least impressive. BMW has the best by far, but then again their new powertrains are all amazing.

I picked up a WRX over a new Tacoma and its 2.0 even smokes the Lexus so they better design an entirely new engine for a Tacoma if they go with a turbo 4 cylinder.