Went to the auto show today to check out the 2020 and I think we’re almost done

Well dang it all. I was hoping that when our dollar got out of the shit hole exchange rate it is at I would head down for an upgrade.

 

No big secret that climates change...as to the primary cause....well this really isn't the place for that discussion, is it?

 

Even a smaller company like Subaru is going hybrid/electric. Like it or not the automotive industry is slowly going towards electrification...

Nipping infinite rumors in the bud, Subaru confirmed the Outback, the Forester, the BRZ, the WRX STI, and every other car it makes will go utilize some form of electrified powertain or disappear by the middle of the 2030s. The Japanese automaker announced it plans to kick exclusively gasoline-powered cars out of its global portfolio in about 15 years' time.

The announcement comes in the wake of ever-stricter emissions regulations around the globe, notably in China and in the European Union. The firm isn't going to turn the tap off overnight, though. Toyota owns an 8.7% stake in Subaru, and the two partners are jointly developing a pair of electric cars due out during the 2020s. Others will inevitably follow. By 2030, hybrid and electric models will represent at least 40% of Subaru's annual global output.

 

I feel the exact same way.

Battery/range fade is probably my #1 complaint about EVs, and it's the one issue that the industry doesn't really seem interested in addressing.

 

What do "guns and bibles" have to do with green energy / hybrid technology? TW, where ignorance runs rampant.

 

This is promising

 

Get a Raptor. Put this one to bed. Lol

 

"climate change" is a nebulous political term from an elitist secular ideology that necessitates a "global solution" and thus a world-governing body to enforce its policy.

Notice how you are a "believer" or a "denier" and it must be referred to as "real", and the "end of humanity" is always just a few years away because we cannot repent for our energy sins.
Questioning any aspect of bought and paid for climate "science" results in ridicule or worse.

Democrats and their donors are entrenched in "big green-energy" in the same way they accuse Republicans of being vested in "Big-oil". They have an economic interest in pushing idiotic high-profit energy solutions, like solar and wind, at the taxpayers expense, so their companies can profiteer bigly off of government energy initiatives that do nothing, or get exported to other places.
If "climate-change" people TRULY cared about long-term energy solutions, we would be engaged in a full-scale conversion to next-generation Nuclear energy and nuclear energy maintenance. Yet somehow the liberal-globalist has come to the conclusion that yet MORE legislation is somehow the answer, and that taxing citizens instead of themselves is the solution to 'climate-change'. Even further, some country like France, or the EU who live a universally different lifestyle than Americans should somehow be the arbiter of morality legislation like climate-taxing? Imagine being governed by globalist-energy policy dictated by Europeans in Europe. I have no doubt in my mind European Globalists would LOVE to tax each and every single American driver, seeing as we probably have more drivers and cars then their entire continent.

It would beg the question:
if "Climate-change" was truly a global calamity within ~15 years of a human extinction event as they claim the "science" suggests, would you not agree it would be objectively necessary to Identify China, India and the 3rd world as egregious contributes to this problem, and leverage the full-strength of an allied-global military campaign to bring them into compliance with zero-pollution standards or face destruction, for the good of the human race?

 

The biggest hurdle I see not being addressed is power infrastructure. Estimates of 'increase of scale', range from factors of hundreds to thousands.

 

When I’m forced to get an electric I’ll probably lease. The batteries don’t last the 12-15 years I keep vehicles.

 

Rant about climate change... Ignore if you are a follower of the prophet Al Gore.

Electric will be great when they get a reliable 20min recharge. I would buy one... However the climate religion neglects the manufacturing process required to build the batteries (Lithium and Cobalt mining) and the source of the electricity to charge them. When everyone is charging their cars at night, the power spike on the grid will be enormous.

I am in the power industry. We have a couple hundred years of coal left if we stop shutting them down. We can't frack enough natural gas to replace the coal generation. Wind and solar would need to blanket the country to get totally off fossil fuel.
1 coal unit makes 500MW (500 million watts). 1 wind turbine makes 3MW. 1kW solar requires 100sq-ft (500MW solar requires 50 million square feet = 1,114 acres of solar)

The US makes 302,646MW from all fossil sources. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
It would take 674,295 more acres of solar to replace the current fossil generation. (On top of what we already have in solar, wind, nuclear)
Double that since the sun doesn't shine at night! 1.3Million acres = The size of Delaware

FYI... you have to have fossil/Nuclear plants of some kind to stabilize the power grid due to fluctuations with renewable generation. The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow...
A mix of generation types will be required for another hundred years at least.
Not to mention that no one really wants a wind turbine nearby... https://vineyardgazette.com/news/2017/12/02/cape-wind-pulls-out-nantucket-sound-wind-farm-project

http://www.suncyclopedia.com/en/area-required-for-solar-pv-power-plants/

https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/6/20951807/electric-vehicles-battery-recycling

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214993714000037

https://serc.carleton.edu/integrate...urces/student_materials/unit2licoreading.html

 

Additionally some of you dont realize the very REAL FREEDOM the gasoline motor vehicle and its industry provides. The American Truck (especially the Tacoma) is essentially a military asset. Though its a laughable concept the world will ever have a conflict of this nature again (WWII), each and every truck in this country is magnitudes more capable than virtually any vehicle found in WWII or Vietnam. Even in factory trim, our vehicles are capable war machines in and of themselves. For this reason alone, giving up an asset of this type of value is full-blown stupidity, simply at the hysterical behest of the gender-confused or globalist desire to weaken American hegemony.

Evidence: Every Middle-eastern war ever LOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War

So just like the 30rd magazine, which nearly A CENTURY of war has objectively and scientifically PROVEN to be the optimum combination of magazine size, weight and ergonomics yielding the maximum firepower per individual while incurring a manageable amount of wear on the fire-arm, the gasoline-automobile must remain a non-negotiable asset of American Freedom. SPECIFICALLY, THE 30rd magazine, empowers the average citizen to form effective and well regulated militias that could resist full-scale national military aggression. Every war since WWII has been "won" by bands of people wielding 4x4's and 30rd rifles. full-stop. Both are essential to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, free from obligation to obey laws set by Globalists in Europe, domestic or otherwise.

The "electric vehicle" is the ideal globalist/socialist/nanny-state form of conveyance. Quite simply, the EV "creates choke-points of movement" limited to the average range of battery in a given time period governed by the availability of "electricity" which is effectively under state/national administration. additionally there is 80+ years of combustion automobiles, parts, industry, manuals, and general know-how that are a safeguard from conversion to the EV industry way of life that has NONE of that, FORCING everyone to be reliant upon corporate suppliers for parts and knowledge, which certainly they safe-guard the "code" and construction as trade properties to be witheld from the public. The EV industry relegates "owners" to "consumers" who merely 'use the product and service" of automobiles.

 

I was a meteorologist in the Air Force for 11 years, I remember the topic coming up in another thread and tried to discuss / educate a few about climate change and it went to politics and a sh*t show real fast. Just some things around here are best unspoken / discussed.

 

Dangit, SMASH that like button and break it off on that one! Well said.

 

Thank you! People seem to give no thought to the actual production and storage of electric power. It's just this limitless, "free" thing that flows outa the outlet and it will always be there.

 

It’s magic electricity. Everyone knows energy is created with focused groupthink lasers and witty slogans.

I’m down for whatever, but uh...there’s gonna be some neat “unintended consequences” down the road. 2045 the lithium wars start.

 

This guy deserves the Tacomaworld equivalent of the Pulitzer prize.

Well said.

 

I'd go for "Karen Does Applebees, part 6"