Sway Bar Delete

Older (Real) Jeeps had manual sway bar disconnects. Essentially removable end links where the bottom slides off and the top pivots. I think of you wanted to mess with it, grind some of the diameter of the bar so it’s less torsionally stiff.

But I agree without most others. Take it off. Try it out. But don’t throw it away until you are sure.

 

A Wing feels better with a CT rear....but you are a wicked young man for bringing it up on TW.

 

With those QD end links in that thread, it is impossible for the SW to hit the CV boots. It never drops lower than the OE height. The side with the up travel can only raise the height on the other / down travel side. That is the genius with his design.

 

Nothing wicked young here. Just turned 47. I'm not a GW'er though. Still stuck in the SPORTtouring / gentlemans express phase with some enduro fun creeping in.

The Mistress just crossed 113k and shows her age:


Dreams be dreams. Borrowed this for Presidents Day weekend:

 

On a BEEMER? Oh Lawdy. Some non-GT purists are getting headaches and don't know why.

 

better off road, no noticeable difference in sway on pavement.

 

You probably won't notice it on pavement until you need to make an emergency maneuver at high speed. As long as that never happens, you should be fine.

All kidding aside, if it's a daily driver, consider getting a quick disconnect end link. Best of both worlds.

 

Anti-roll bars have been over-hyped and over-used since they were found to be slightly beneficial in specific cases. Taking it off will improve your ride by removing warp harshness and it will improve your mechanical grip overall. The increase in body roll is more of a subjective feel thing and doesn't actually remove capability of the truck on the road, but it does get you out of the 'design in understeer for the typical average driver' box a bit.

It's a simple trade-off that's made. Warp compliance vs roll stiffness.

 

Everyone of you downplaying the increase in body roll on road is wrong and you all need to do some research. This kind of advise is dangerous and can get people killed. rollover risk is massively increased, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Ive been in three situations in 14 years of driving that if I had been driving a truck or vehicle with a high center of gravity without a swaybar I likely would not be alive. Do not take this stuff lightly. Do some ACTUAL research on what swaybars do and how easy a vehicle will roll over during highway speeds. I dont mean asking people on a forum. All it takes is one idiot swerving into your lane, a patch of ice, a deer, a branch in the road at night. Do you really want to make yourself less safe for 5% better flex on the trail?

 

Your figures are dog shit.


Saying that in a non rude way.

 

You are giving us a pretty hot take here. The same could be said for going with a better tire compared to the stock one which have little bite, tossing on a 3in lift, adding a heavy canopy, an RTT on a tall rack, or several other mods that get discussed without this kind of soap box rant.

My take has always been to understand the risks and not go out on a rally immediately after a change. Test the waters and see how it reacts. It is true that the SBD is not for everyone. But, the fact remains that at least on the Sports with the stiffest springs and firmest shocks, the SBD is no worse than a stock OR. I have been in abrupt maneuvers since pulling it without a bad reaction from the truck or a pucker in my butt. That is just me though.

 

I get the feeling you dont actually know what an "abrupt maneuver" is... have you ever been sideways in a car at 60+ mph? or 80+? I have and I can tell you, until you understand the forces involved you dont know about abrupt maneuvers..

everything you said about mods raising your CG and rollover risk is true, but those add real functionality and is a calculated decrease in safety. Removing a vital component that put there for reason is not calculated, nor safe.

 

no.. its not, 99% percent of cars (not trucks or suv's) will not rollover at any speed on flat and level road.

 

where are you coming up with this opinion? thats not even close to being correct either, most trucks and suv's will be fine also, and every vehicle sold will be fine at 35mph, NHTSA standards dont even allow cars to be sold with high rollover risk, its not the 1960's

 

I do appreciate your take. However, roll over risk is not massively increased. Would you care to explain? I understand explanations based in physics and/or equations.

 

massively/ not massively... its a matter of opinion, and for maybe 5% better flex I personally wont risk it. It makes zero sense, No physics or equations required

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJw04cnRZx4

the following is talking about a rear sway so not exactly what were talking about but good info nontheless


(Quote from fulcrum suspensions)
Fitting a larger sway bar, particularly in the rear of a 4WD, has two main effects, vehicle balance in terms of understeer or oversteer and increased roll resistance. Both of these effects can provide increased overall handling and safety benefits in a 4WD vehicle. If you are looking for increased stability on the road or when towing, sway bars are a great upgrade option. As most factory vehicles are partial towards understeer, fitting of a larger rear sway bar, or the addition of a sway bar, helps in providing a more neutral characteristic in the handling. This is due to the increase in roll stiffness at the rear, which changes the loading of the rear wheels under conditions of increased cornering load. SuperPro offers a great range of aftermarket sway bars engineered for many off-road applications, also offering many adjustable kits to best suit your 4WD build. The biggest resistance to the fitment of bigger 4x4 sway bar to 4WD vehicles is the flawed concept of the loss of articulation in the suspension. If the replacement sway bars are designed correctly and the sway bar links are lengthened, replacement sway bars can be fitted with minimal or no loss of articulation. However, the improvements to stability, safety and driveability will far outweigh any loss of articulation. So without reducing comfort or articulation, a sway bar will make the suspension system and tyres perform better, making the vehicle more responsive while neutralising understeer. Fitting a sway bar offers all round improvements in handling, tyre wear, comfort, safety and load carrying. It is one of the best handling improvements you can make.

 

You are making a lot of assumptions about others. I would recommend keeping those to yourself unless you know otherwise for a fact.

 

Sales pitch and conjecture. Reduced body roll? Yes, that's its purpose. Improved performance and safety? It depends.

 

umm.. no.. I shall assume all I want until told otherwise. Seeing as you havnt told me otherwise, my assumption remains.

 

Dont try to tell me that reduced body roll doesnt equal reduced rollover risk... were getting silly if thats your next answer..