Any PC Builders Out There?

nVidia hasn't officially supported some Linux features for a long time. Keep in mind Linux is focused on open source drivers, and nVidia doesn't like to let people write code for their products outside of their drivers. In fact pretty much every fully features usable driver for a few years on Linux for nVidia cards was an open implementation that nVidia fought all the way up until around 2019 called Nouveau. I mean in 2012 Linus Torvalds famously gave nVidia the literal bird on camera for their intentional firmware changes that caused nVidia cards to downclock and have display issues.

nVidia has been anything except driver friendly for Linux, not to say that AMD doesn't have their issues but AMD has been the goto with Linux for a long time. That's even a part of the reason why the top end consoles tend to go AMD. AMD allows for a lot more backend driver tampering because they're willing to go there and support it when it makes sense to. nVidia isn't, nVidia has always wanted full control on the driver side.

I've also had AMD driver woes in the past in Windows. My 6870 would randomly crash all the time in Skyrim for almost a year after release. That being said you should read into 20 series drivers issues. I have one word for what the drivers have been like for my top end nVidia card. Shit.

 

I'm still dealing with driver issues on my 2080Ti. This last driver now causes my framerate to bounce all over the place if I try to watch any streaming video at the same time I use the graphics card for anything. Any game, other media, or even mild hardware acceleration makes video unplayable. I loved my 1070, but my 2080ti driver wise has been absolute garbage. They'll fix one thing every release and cause two or three more issues. If there was an AMD card that could compete I would of bailed a while ago.

 

I didn't use the nouveau drivers. I used the proprietary Nvidia drivers. My biggest issues with the AMD drivers were screen tearing, and horrible dual monitor support. (On Linux). On Windows, I'd be a couple hours into a game and it would crash. Switched to Nvidia and it just worked

My current laptop has a hybrid Intel/Nvidia setup. I know there's a way to make the system always use the Nvidia GPU, I just haven't bothered.

 

Fair enough. My point though was more that while nVidia has been known in the past as the golden standard for drivers their latest releases just aren't up to that standard. Kind of like the third gen Tacoma, their newest product just isn't what it used to be.

Trust me, if you paid $1K for a nVidia card a year after it launched and had the issues I'm having still over a year later you'd be PO'd as well. That's just horse shit level quality drivers from nVidia and it's a known issue.

Don't change that power setting. If you do it'll just cause higher power draw when it's not necessary. There is a reason laptops are setup that way. Even my AMD/nVidia laptop defaults to the AMD Vega integrated graphics when I'm just browsing around or watching videos to save power.

AMD laptops still don't come with top end graphics because of a weird design choice. Even the 4000 series has only a PCI-E 3.0 x8 link to the graphics card. So anything better than a 2060 Super would be bottlenecked. AMD has never explained why they did that. I'd still get an AMD 4000 series in a laptop for work though. Intel can't touch the 8 core laptop Ryzen chips. They're just on another level above the Core series in every way.

 

So if someone wanted to choose a graphics card for a Linux build, they should buy a _____________?

 

@Sterdog - Tonight is going to be delid time

 

Follow on question, thoughts on this KVM switch? Looking for a switch to do two PCs, with a "dual monitor" setup. One PC will have Win-10, and the other (fingers crossed) will be a Linux Mint machine.

$90 CKLau 4K@60Hz 2 Port Dual Monitor KVM Switch Displayport with Audio, USB 2.0 Hub and Cables, DP 1.2 KVM Switch 2 Monitors 2 Computers Support Hotkey Switching

https://www.amazon.com/CKLau-Displa...ZF42RJ6RBKTZ&refRID=ZGR47AANZF42RJ6RBKTZ&th=1

 

And here I thought that was supposed to be fixed with the graphics scheduling update on the latest W10 build release. Guess it'll never happen. I still get high idle GPU clocks (1200MHz+) on the desktop if I have my 60Hz monitor running next to my 144Hz monitor. I've kind of just learned to rely much less on my 2nd monitor lately.

 

I even went ahead and upgraded to Windows 10 2004 via a complete wipe and reinstall so I could get access to the newest changes within Windows which nVidia swears should fix this issue... and it made it worse lol. Like I said, I've had really good experiences with nVidia drivers on the 8800GT, GTX 680, and GTX 1070 I've run in the past but this 2080Ti experience really has me questioning what is going on with team Green.

 

I’m just not so patiently waiting for RTX 3000 series. Still running a 1070 on my ATX and a 1660 super for my Mini ITX. Glad to have found this thread! Tacos and PCs two of my favorite things.

 

alright fellas. Looking for advice. I'm a pretty much a novice when it comes to computers.

I bought my rig used:
Asus Z87 pro, i7 4770k slightly over clocked @ 4ghz, and Corsair H55 water cooled
GTX1070
16 gb ram

I'm noticing that newer games won't maintain 60 fps on ultra settings, Far Cry New Dawn especially, it can drop as low as the 20's for a hot second. My understanding is that my mobo/cpu/cooler are all old generation and all 3 will need upgraded at once. I don't have any spare parts or socket adapters or whatever for the mobo or cooler.

I did some benchmark a while ago and it said my i7 was under-performing compared to others at the same setting. It was at 3.7 core 3.9 cache. I then clocked it to 4.0 on both settings.

Then I re-ran the benchmark, and it said it was outperforming ones clocked to 4.5-4.7


So what should I be budgeting to upgrade in the future? Is the mobo/cpu/cooler just fine for a while to come? Or should I look at replacing those when I do a graphic card upgrade in a few months? I'm guessing my graphics card is the weak link in my set up. There's also a strong possibility I get into VR if that makes any difference in the upgrade route I should go.

 

What resolution is your monitor? What refresh rate? What is your target/desired frame rate on each game?

Every game has slightly different requirements. I recommend first looking at what resolution/framerate you want in the games you play at and then look into the hardware you need to pull that off.

The 4770K is definitely long in the tooth but can handle it's own in 1080P on non CPU intensive games. Far Cry is CPU intensive though. To compare the "worst" AMD chip right now is the Ryzen 3 3100 and that chip bests it by 10-20% per core. Intel upgrading automatically means a new motherboard in general and everything now uses newer DDR4 ram, so yes you will need to do all three if you want a better CPU. There is no such thing as a socket adapter anymore. I haven't seen something like that since the P1 days.

AMD is going to likely drop their newest chips in the next few months, so you may want to wait until then if you want to buy once cry once. Alternatively, because AMD often uses the same socket for several generations and we know the next one still uses AM4, you could buy a cheap Ryzen 3 3100 or 5 3600 now and then upgrade to the newer Ryzen 7 4000 series chips once they are available if you need the horses and money isn't a big deal.

The cooler is probably compatible with newer sockets but I wouldn't run a used AIO in a new system. You're better off getting something newer if you buy Intel or using the stock cooler if you go AMD.

The 1070 is a very good 1080P card at 60-100fps with new games. Anything past that though and you should look at upgrading.

 

Yeah I think if you're budget conscious I'd go with:

• MSI b450 Tomahawk Max Mobo ($120)
• AMD r5 3600 CPU ($175)
• Crucial Ballistix 16GB 3200Mhz DDR4 Ram ($70)

You'd have a full system upgrade for less than the cost of a new GPU. That'll make it easier to do a GPU upgrade sooner since you're not dumping a ton of money.

If you're less budget conscious I'd pretty much go with the same as above, but look at the 3700x CPU or anything in tiers above it.

Still can't recommend Intel in 2020 and don't see them being recommendable for the foreseeable future.

 

I was trying really hard not to Intel bash lol.

 

I was planning to go AMD this time

Monitor is just 1920x1080 144hz

 

Well this is interesting, I was playing X-plane tonight and was watching my task manager to see resource allocation and my COU usage was around 20% (using 4 cores of the R5 3600), RAM usage was about 80% (16GB kit), and VRAM usage was about 50%, but the GPU would spike to 100% and throttle down and frame rate stayed rock solid at 15 FPS.


I thought maybe my drives could keep up with the demand for data but my drives were showing 0% in task manager, could it be a driver issue?

 

Amazon didn't come through with the 2-day Prime delivery... It didn't arrive last night :/

Hey! My 4790k (stock clock) is handling every game I throw at it at 1440p.. well minus the hot temps in Call of Duty lol

 

Yup, 100% depends on the settings and the game. There are still plenty of 2700K and 3770K on the steam survey as well.