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BD XL Racer vs DD SS3 Pro Spot - Comparison

Discussion in 'Hotshot Offroad' started by memario1214, Sep 1, 2020.

  1. Sep 1, 2020 at 6:31 PM
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    Nice video! How did you fix the camera issue?

    The Baja open bucket legacy reflectors definitely provide a lot more stray foreground light depending on what people are looking for, vs the focused light of Diode Dynamics TIR optics. Some may prefer the increased foreground light with Baja for good reason vs the more focused distance light with the SS3s depending on the purpose. However, while the output video does appear to make Baja look like the clear winner, the Diode Dynamics are ~35% higher in output with optics light years ahead of Baja in efficiency. If you were to take a measured lux reading with proper equipment at distance, I'm beyond certain you would find that the Diode Dynamics units were able to provide significantly better distance projection and beam intensity not well represented in the video. One of the many reasons pictures/videos alone are inadequate and can be misleading without proper light measurement tools. I do significantly prefer Baja's 5000k color temp. It is worth noting the SS3s are also available in 4000k at a small premium with a lens swap.
     
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    I went rooting around in some settings and of course manual mode allowed for locking of aperture, ISO, etc. I am going to have to fine tune and lock in my settings though so that I have consistency across all videos. I don't want a certain light taking on slightly different characteristics video-to-video. I was happy with what this one produced though in terms of color accuracy.

    In this specific comparison I also feel as though the BD came out on top, but given the higher price point and larger profile I would certainly hope it would! I honestly was impressed with the distance by both. The 4000k color temp is certainly on my list of things to test against upcoming as well. I much prefer the warmer color temps. Crazy to say that considering I was one of those guys once upon a time who had 6000k drop-in BIXENON (sounds so impressive) HIDs in my rig :rofl:
     
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    I like the idea of locking the settings between videos. You'll have to experiment to see how well that works when using lights with different output levels.

    The 4000k vs 6000k output performance is the same, but the 4000k will provide better contrast and look better in photos/video.
     
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    The output may be the same, but that certainly doesn't mean that the human experience is! That's why I love how you have been talking about color temps and why they matter so much. I'm planning on trying to make a video about just that upcoming as well.
     
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    Exactly. That would actually be a really cool video! You'd want to use products that are very similar in output pattern/pattern/performance to not sway bias by output. But I think an outdoor test like you have done with locked exposure settings showing the different color temps would be very interesting to see.
     
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    Truth be told the likely easiest candidate to manipulate would be the SS3 Sports. Go with a 4000k and a 6000k emitter then hit them with a clear and then a yellow lens in a fog as well as probably a driving pattern. I can confirm that the 6000k emitter behind their yellow lens is gross (unless you like lime green), but I would show that too!
     
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    We appreciate the review Colton, excellent representation!

    Here's data from Intertek, proving the XL Racer's efficiency against the SS3 Pro Spot.

    XL Racer vs DD SS3.png
     
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    Thanks for the chart! I do find myself with a couple questions just as some clarification though for myself as well as others:
    • Is there a certain distance at which the "effective lumen" value was identified? I plan on doing some captures of my own so if there is a Standard as it relates to distance I'd be game to falling in line with that, or at least understanding where everyone else sees it!
    • When determining effective output is there any consideration or "extra credit" given to any light that is spilled out away from the focal center?
    I'll continue to hone my craft, and do other testing that makes sense in my mad scientist brain, but knowing how the rest of the world is testing would absolutely be valuable :thumbsup:

    Thanks Paul!
     
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    Nice video!

    The BD XL is a significantly larger lamp than the Diode SS3, so this is an interesting comparison. Also, $400 vs $150...

    You'll have to check out the "bigger" Diode lamp when that's available too, for a real head-to-head matchup. ;)
     
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    You know where to find me! And you know I'll be getting my grubby mitts on them when they drop!
     
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    Awesome to see actual measured output specs on a Baja product! Those are some great candela numbers. Baja Designs is the only major lighting manufacture that doesn't publish any actual output specs of their products, which is a significant short coming of such a high end brand, it is effectively a long time industry standard for all major lighting companies. Hopefully these testing numbers indicate a move to more product performance transparency. It would be awesome to see candela values and effective lumen output numbers across Baja's products listed online, bonus points for lux at 10 meters which are all standard units of performance measurement across all other major brands, listed on their respective websites available to the public.
     
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  13. Sep 14, 2020 at 4:18 PM
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    Of course, you bring up some great questions!
    • Is there a certain distance in which the “effective lumen” valued was identified?
    In short, the effective lumens is taking into account all the light coming out of the lighting fixture. They have special equipment that can measure the specifications of a light such as an Integrated sphere and a goniometer so unfortunately there is not an easy way to capture this at home. These are the most accurate methods to collect all the different specifications compared to a hand held lux meter which is great for getting a rough idea until it comes time to test a production worthy product.
    • When determining effective output is there any consideration or “extra credit” given to any light that is spilled out away from the focal center?
    Today’s testing procedures do not accurately classify the extra light you are discussing. Even in the lumen count value, it captures this light but still doesn’t tell the customer most importantly how that light is being used.
     
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