Magnuson Supercharger install and modifications

hp takes money...a LOT of money. Toyota's s/c variant of this engine only makes 355hp...assuming that's crank not wheel, meanwhile the n/a variant makes, at best, 310. On stock internals too. If you want SERIOUS power this is a good start, remember...these are basically all stock trucks, fuel/internals (not tune) (not sure what kind of intake and exhaust are being used either). So forged pistons, up the boost, better fuel system...then a better cam profile, p/p heads, larger valves. So again...this is a decent start and again...hp takes a LOT of money...always has. Those builds making insane power also cost insane amounts of money, and that's just in parts.

This s/c is an EASY install and makes good power being measured at the wheels, not the crank...and appears to be priced close to other such builds. I've seen a few for 4k but all sold out and those require a lot more work to install too.

 

You can modify our tunes In VF Tuner.
You can make your own tune.
You can mod any part of the binary our software gives access to.

But you cannot access or modify magnusons tune, with our software.
Attempting to is breaking our license agreement.

sure if you found some way to get the binary off the ECU there isn't much I can do.
But if you do so by hacking our program, disassembling our encryption, you are liable for that.

Please show me one other software where you think you can freely undermine licensing locks and its not illegal.


These locks don't exist to hurt you, they are there to protect the work and product of the pro tuners.



FYI, you don't need magnusons tune at all if you want to make a SC tune. You can make it from scratch in vF Tuner.

Also, there is custom code in the binaries. CODE, not data, that Toyota didn't create, we created. That code specifically is our IP.

 

Oh noooooooo

 

I think you are confused about what we are considering IP, and why Breaking it is against our eula.

We aren't just encrypting and sending Toyota's binary with maps modified over CanBus.
Inside that binary is special code, we wrote, that doesn't exist in any Toyota Ecu in the world. That code is our IP. Even then, you guys aren't blocked from using it, if you use vF Tuner you have free access to it. The manual trans guys for example have our code, custom code that I wrote in assembly, that modifies the per gear torque maps.

But if you use tools to attempt to disassemble our software or our encryption for the purpose of gaining access to something you are not suppose to, you're in violation of our EULA.

Nobody is stopping anyone from using VF Tuner to make any tune they want.
But when you want to bypass our licensing to gain access to files with our custom code (IP) that is directly against our EULA, which you agree to to install.

This is really no different than any other tuning software out there. If you want some historical cases of what happens to folks who try to do what is being talked in here, just Google "HPTuners vs sued"

It is a very simple thing. Your license to use vF Tuner does not permit access to magnusons files. Any steps taken to try to bypass that and gain access to their files for editing, modifying, etc in our software is a violation.

 

i personally am finding it surprising that this needs to be explained at all, not to mention over & over. but man are we appreciative for OV. at least one bad apple won't spoil the whole bunch.

 

Plus you guys have offered several times to help folks with their tune...and you've done a lot for those of us with older versions when you came out with newer versions.

I'm sure (giving stank eye) the pirating was all in jest.

 

Thanks for the explanation. I understand now.

 

There are many aspects to this, and this isn't the place. And you are right we are talking about different things here. Just to clarify what I was meaning.
I was not talking about bypassing your encryption (or even recommending that) in any way shape of form. And OVT blocking anyone form using vf tuner for any reason they see fit (irreverent of EULA) is completely within OVT's rights. This is kind-a what the HPTuners case was about, and is not at all what I was talking about.

If someone pulls the binary files from the ECU that had previously been modified using VF Tune, modifies them and puts them back, that is no different to what being done to Toyota. The legality you're talking about as with HPTuners case is the legality of doing that using VF Tune. That is not what I was talking about. As you know there are other ways to do that.

I was simply talking about the binary file that's on the ECU.
As to the IP of the actual changes on the Toyota binary file. That is a little bit different, and I don't really agree with what you said, but I may have misunderstood. The IP is yours (or theirs for Pro users), right up until you put that back on the ECU. At that point in time it actually becomes Toyotas. To be clear, I am talking the binary and information contained within NOT what you used to modify the binary. VF Tune modifies a set of binary files that Toyota owns the IP to.

Now to the moral side and my ethical / re-encryption comment. Braking encryption to gain access to something that you bought (ie the ECU), I personally think this is fine and well within someones rights as don't agree with encrypting this in the first place. Encrypting software to stop theft / miss-use is fine, IF and only IF you actually own the IP and built everything yourself. Taking open source / community created software, modifying and encrypting is slightly different, but that's not what my comment about. Where this get's problematic for me personally is taking Toyota's IP and allowing people to freely steal & change it, then getting on a high horse when someone tries to do the exact same to you on the exact same file. That's why I don't agree with the re-encryption part, or trying to detect if the binary VF Tune is using was created by a Pro user. I do completely understand why you do this though, I just don't agree with it.
But I do agree with what you said, legally you are well within your rights to stop someone doing this with VF Tune. Where as legally (or ethically IMO) if someone does that without using VF Tune there is nothing, and it is not theft of OVT/ VF Tune Pro users IP.

 

@mutely brings up a good point. How is someone cracking @OVTune ‘s protection any different from OVTune cracking Toyota’s protection.

 

The files created by Pro users are NOT the same files as ones created by non Pro users.
Non pro users are not licensed to access those files in vF Tuner. if you, by some form of magic, manage to get the raw BIN off a ECU that has a Pro users map on it WITHOUT using vF Tuner at all, you are right, you can do with it as you please. But you will have better luck winning the lottery with no lotto ticket.

I am not talking about Toyotas encryption. Want to break it, go for it. Best of luck. I am specifically talking about the encryption we layer on top of the files that make them as .vFT format. Tampering with or trying to break that encryption is against our EULA.


The whole purpose of Pro users having the ability to protect their maps is to protect themselves from you guys.
Imagine someone freely edits the map and blows their engine and then blames Magnuson.

It's not different, and toyota could likely sue any software manufacture that allows for cracking their ECUs.
Just the same as we will do for someone trying to crack our program.

 

I'm disappointed in UPS that I got one box from Magnuson but it's not the one with the actual SC in it! I have a box of accessories and nothing fun to go with it

 

They might have just had it drop shipped from Beijing..


j/k


mostly..

 

maybe the other truck carrying the parts has a magnuson supercharger with an early version tune.... that would explain why its late.

 

*whispers* "oof"

 

Which one are you going for first?

 

Need to first see what the 89mm produces for boost... then we can start shrinking the diameter... probably buy an assortment and work down.

 

You have gauges, yes?

 

I feel like I just learned a lot about software IP law, well worth the couple minutes of reading there OVTune. Cool to see breakdown of thoughts in clear, coherent, grammatically correct words and appreciated the clarifying the specifics. I have no matter in the issue at hand at all, just a passerby on the forums who found your posts insightful.

So always back to boosted Tacomas let's see them videos of some supercharged Tacoma pulls fam!?

 

Looks like gears and tune is the way to go until URD and OV get their FI kits out.