Why a winch?

This is exactly what I want to do to mine, any pictures of the plugs you used, wires, your switches, cable routing etc etc?

 

Because a winch on the gas tank is awkward and potentially dangerous. Me, I've got a come-along for pulling me out of the parking space at the mall.

If I need a winch, I'll get an Insta-Winch: https://tinyurl.com/yddr285v

 

Surely you don't mean a dynamic rope that is 385+ feet in length? I've not ever seen one that was over 100m, and even then, the 100m are generally specially ordered for a very specific "project" as they are known in climbing. Dynamic rope for rappel would be silly anyway. Just curious...

So, you're probably using whats called static line, which has very little elongation by design, as opposed to dynamic, which has a specific elongation factor engineered into the design. The only real use for dynamic line is in lead rock climbing, where falls are taken from well above the last bolt(or piece of fall protection), resulting in a fall that is double the distance the climber is above their gear, and some elongation is needed to absorb some of the energy of the fall. Every other application:rappelling, tree work, window washing, safety & rescue...any industrial application, static line is used. It's more durable and just much safer in instances where there will not be significant shockload to the system/individual on the sharp end of the rope.

I realize nobody asked for a class on this, it's just worth noting that the diameter being 13mm isn't why it doesn't stretch much.

 

Oh, yeah. I was just thinking "triple locked", without realizing the the quoted post said 3 locked differentials. Maybe they installed a drivetrain out of a limited 4runner.

 

Yes, I surely do mean ‘dynamic’ rope.

As a matter of fact, at 9mm, one might be getting into what is colloquially known as ‘cord’.

We didn’t think it was silly on account of: we were poor and had used up our other four long ropes, on the entrance drop and three other rappells getting to the big pit at the back of the cave.


(you know rope comes in spools right?)

 

There's also passing the knot.

 

...don’t confuse him, he has just enough draws for the bolts he can see.

 

The Mobtown unit is great. Very minimal trimming required to make it work. That was another must for me. I needed better recovery points (winch or no winch) in the front and this was a two birds one stone situation.

Y'all forget we have a center diff in the transfer case that's locked. So if you have ARB diffs front and rear you have three locked diffs.

 

I actually just redid the connectors. Initially, the connectors I used were VERY large. They sucked to use but I chose those based on rated amperage. I decided to step down to slightly smaller ones that were both easier to work with and easier to mount to the truck. I was worried at first but realized they are basically the exact same as what you'd get with a Warn hookup kit so I'm not too worried. The cables are 0gauge. Here's what I ended up using.

IROCH Battery Quick Connect/Disconnect Wire Harness Plug Kit for Recovery Winch or Trailer (175A, Red)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074NZNNM2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Under the hood there's a "Blue Sea" switch that mounts right to the fuse box cover. That distributes power to either the front, back, or both.

$69 Blue Sea Systems 3002 HD BATTERY SELECTOR 4POS

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000K2NYEC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1



The front and rear connections are mounted so they are very close to the winch so the plug/lead on the winch doesn't have to be long. Helps keep things tidy. The one on the rear requires special consideration because you need to remember the bumper gets dragged sometimes. The tow hitch does offer a LOT of protection so with the smaller plug size you can hide one up under there pretty well. Also worthy of note, the hitch is the only reason my rear bumper has made it this long without getting destroyed. And yes, 90 degree bends with 0 gauge are extremely difficult. Especially when you're soldering with a blow torch.

Front



Rear




Here's the winch itself with the lead.

 

No, I don't and I get what you're saying but technically there is no differential in the transfer case. It's just a traditional transfer case that splits the input into two directly driven outputs. A differential, lockable or not, is a completely additional piece of equipment. Does it function like an AWD transfer case with the diff locked? Yes. Is it a differential? No.

 

The transfer case isn't actually a differential, unless you have full time 4wd or awd.

 

True statement. Many typically referr to in passing as a locked center diff even if that's technically incorrect. While many trucks have the ability to allow slipping between the front and rear via an unlocked diff; we don't. That was realistically the point of my original quote. So when I lock the front and rear, I have equal torque applied at all 4 wheels.

So for my truck, if I'm unable to move it means I basically have zero traction, I don't have the clearance, or I'm high centered. For me, it's typically been as a result of the last two which is a situation where going further isn't exactly a smart decision (especially if I have to return the same way). This is why having a winch in the rear is ultra handy.

 

Oh, I'm aware. I've just never known any individual who purchased a spool of dynamic line for when static was appropriate; I haven't known a caver that used dynamic line...but vertical caving has never been my thing, obviously. Glad it worked out for you though. My point in the reply was really more for the guy using fire and rescue rope that wants it to be skinnier so it's got more stretch. You clearly know that even skinnier static line has very little stretch. Thanks for straightening me out on the whole issue.

 

If you have friends who get stuck all the time that know you have a winch and call to get them out, you need a winch.
We have literally vaporized thick nylon rope trying to pull a truck out of the mud. Poof, gone. Metal cable or chains for real security.

 

There really is no such thing as ‘static’ line, while the NCI still defines it, it’s sort of a misnomer and has fallen out of favor (and usage) by most. Today ‘low stretch’ is the norm for work, access, rescue, caving, etc., but hey...


rope is just another thing to slow you down.

 

I have one of these till I can afford a winch on the truck:

$420 3 Ton Ratchet Puller With 35' Of 5/16" Amsteel Blue

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00455VCTY/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Probably get a ComeUp eventually but i need to get the ready for that much weight hanging off the front.

 

There are old climbers and there are bold climbers. There are no old bold climbers.

I've been climbing without a rope since way before Honnold made it cool. I'm also hoping I end up being an exception to the above climbing rule. When I was young and first started soloing I got some great advice from an older climbing buddy of mine about the rules of soloing.

Rule 1: Don't fuck up and die.
Rule 2: See Rule 1

 

hey, I’ll lace that shit up like a pair of combat boots if I’m in the mood...

 

Bruh Reardon made it cool before Honnold. Of course Reardon is dead from soloing, but a rouge wave is a weird way to die climbing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SgF4M3DK-8

 

And Dan Osman was cool too...but he died not climbing but base jumping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy3SuhEQHVg