3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

well it's 2021... i've been running HID's in my '17 a while now (as suggested in this post way back when https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/hyluxtek-hid-kit-with-cnlight-ball-bulbs.457461/ ) and have liked it, but they are starting to dim...

What is the TL : DR on what I should drop in to my stock '17 housings?

 

Anyone have experience with closeout section? I don't care if the bulbs were returned. More just that both are there and the install parts I need are included. Or is it more just the luck of the draw? Almost seems to good to be true.

 

My guess is if you take a bulb out and look at the bowl of the projector that the chrome is flaking. HID's can (and usually will) burn the plating of the projector from intense UV output. Some HID bulbs have a UV protective coating that will prevent this from happening or at least significantly prolong the life of the projector. Hylux is a fantastic brand, but I don't know that their H series bulbs have a UV coating.

Unfortunately, you may discover that you need new headlights or that it is a good opportunity to disassemble yours and do a retrofit if you're into that.

A drop in replacement is the RX350's (US non-afs) are drop in and are the projectors that all projectors achieve to beat. Doing a clear lens swap is best for output but some prefer the factory frensel lens for a softer cutoff. A sharp cutoff is gorgeous but some people find it distracting as you hit bumps and you can see the cutoff clearly go up and down with the truck. There are other really good projectors as well, just not straight bolt-in. Although there are some brackets available to swap different projectors.

 

Thanks for this!

I got this pack, as well as the Hella H11 yellows, from Amazon last night. I immediately trimmed the Hella H9s with my Exacto knife. It was easier than I anticipated.

Like mentioned earlier, these are brighter and the H9s are less yellow compared to stock H11 low beams.

 

Random question: Do LEDs give off UV light whether they be automotive or home use bulbs etc? I mean enough UV to fade plastics and paint etc

 

no, unless they are designed to give of UV (blacklight / UV curing / ect.)

 

Philips latest replacement LEDs claim to be the the very first LEDs to use state-of-the-art Lumileds TopContact LED chips, previously only used by OEM LED headlight manufactures. Top contact circuity should make for a thinner emitter cross section and better focus. Philips has continued to stay with passive cooling technology in their latest LED design. These are not available in North America, but I've ordered them out of the UK for testing. Shout out to @SRBenjamin for bringing them to my attention.

 

I have high hopes they'll surpass the H9 bulbs. Looking forward to your test!

 

I don't see them surpassing H9's. They may be made as an attempt to bring a compliant replacement product to market. So they're probably limited to the H11 maximum output, especially considering they went with passive heat dissipation.

 

Agreed. Philips tends to make their products aimed at compliance rather than maximum output, which is how they were granted street legal status in Germany. The design looks promising for an H11, but it won't surpass an H9.

 

On the H9 front, I am having so much trouble locating proper terminals for my preferred H9 female connectors. But I am happy to send some crappy conversion harnesses to anyone who wants to try a pair and evaluate, for the cost of postage. I’m not happy with them at all because the females just aren’t nice enough. DM me if you want to try a set.

 

Sounds like another one of life's heartbreakers....

 

It appears they may offer 2 different packaging options Listed as a H11-HL and a H8/H11/H16 - Fog, but it looks like the SKU is the same

 

Interesting. Having trouble finding the bulbs to compare from an official source like Philip's site, since they don't list the products on their USA site, and I don't see automotive lighting products on their UK site. Typically the FL or Fog version is significantly reduced output to control glare in an attempt at making a legitimate replacement fog light. It is a bit of a challenge since an H11 is much higher output than an H16, but the product is universal for fog (H11/H8/H16). So while someone with H16 fogs may see it as a great improvement, someone with H11 fogs wouldn't. Of course replacement LEDs in fog lights isn't the right way to go, you should use an SAE J583 foglight LED assembly which is properly designed around the LED light source.

 

Grabbed the wrong links on the first try. Looks like just the retail sites have the part numbers for both the same. They have a H11 and a H11 under Fog that is the same bulb and then the H8/H11/H16 under a Fog/FL that looks to be a 15 Watt bulb Vs an 18 Watt bulb for the HL bulb.

https://www.philips.ae/c-p/11362U90CWX2/ultinon-pro9000-with-exclusive-lumileds-automotive-led - 18 Watt / 1350 Lumens

https://www.philips.ae/c-p/11366U90CWX2/ultinon-pro9000-with-exclusive-lumileds-automotive-led - 15 Watt / 950 Lumens

 

Good find. That is what I expected, though slightly higher than I thought for the fog version.

 

I have no interest in the fogs as mine have been changed for DD SS3 Pro's but if a $200 set of LED's is better than a $12 set of H9's I would have to consider it.

 

You're just up the street, you can come by and check it out first hand. But an H9 is 2100 lumens at 12.8v, and running voltage is about 13.8v which will significantly boost output over the 12.8v rating, so the H9 will be far higher in lumen output than the 1350 lumen rating of the Philips LEDs. Paired with the H9 almost certainly having a smaller light source, providing better focus which increases output intensity, the Philips will be no contest to the H9 swap.

 

I have H9's in the truck now and am quite happy with it, been considering the OEM Led lights but haven't pulled the trigger. It took me a while before I realized you were so close. I work down in Redmond but I figured I'd wait till we both have our Magnuson's installed before I tried to introduce myself

 

Weird that the higher output version is actually more efficient in terms of lumens/watt consumed. And looks like the HL version is definitely intended to fall within the H11 +/-10% standard. If the cross section width is close to a filament, I could see it working fairly well in some applications.