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vF Tuner for the 3.5L Tacoma

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Rafael@OVTune, Apr 23, 2020.

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  1. May 15, 2021 at 9:43 PM
    OVTune

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    I don't need to define anything to you. You're just some guy on the internet. I'll worry about my business.
     
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    Atta kid! Carry this same mentality with map switching and tip in etc.
     
  3. May 15, 2021 at 9:51 PM
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    So technically we already had 3-4 way map switching with the old software correct…? Honestly there are already so many damn buttons in these trucks remembering what mode does what doesn’t even sound feasible or even beneficial really. Maybe in FI applications but for the majority of tacoma owners I’m not so sure.

    Quoting a friend
    Before the update we could still do all this:
    “-ECT- change throttle, and shifting for anything--- tow/performance, ECO/Mpg, or any way you want it.
    -S-Mode + ECT- make it gearlock
    -Drive- Main tune for everyday driving
    -4Lo is already low geared and throttle can be adjusted for serious rock crawlers”

    I mean all that alone is pretty badass. Not knocking this either and appreciate the work.. But this meme sums up my idea of it currently

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  5. May 15, 2021 at 10:23 PM
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    Specifically to gear lock, currently we need to render ECT useless with it. If you push the button but stay in D, it will shift VERY early and bog down the truck. The update sounds like we can make S 100% gear lock and ECT+S something different.

    But yes essentially we have a way to map switch now, just without the map specific AFR, throttle maps, and other goodies.
     
  6. May 15, 2021 at 10:31 PM
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    Gracias man, yeah the number of people who want GL anyways is slim to none in my experience. So, essentially unless you’re tuning for someone with very highly customized needs or with FI (which I’m assuming no one really knows how to with the 3.5L yet, and if anyone does specifically with magnusons please shoot me a pm) it seems as though there isn’t much of a change. I am excited for some FI vf guides myself and really want to get the ball rolling on tuning my magnuson but so far the only person I have heard knows a ton is in Canada and hard to get a hold of.

    Would flashing 2.0 on a SC tune be detrimental to major components or cause lean even with the advanced timing on a 91 tune? I am pretty clueless when it comes to FI as it’s my first ever, and I would ask in the magnuson thread but everyone there seems to be completely oblivious to tuning and baulks at the idea the tunes I have tried generally feel better than the SC. The potential for real power is there, but the tune is extremely underwhelming and disappointing.
     
  7. May 15, 2021 at 10:35 PM
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    I keep getting this error can anybody help? 62058066-DA68-46C5-95E9-1602ACDD7E88.jpg
     
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    Does the truck start after a power cycle?

    If not, PM me and I’ll walk you through it
     
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  9. May 15, 2021 at 10:38 PM
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    Gear lock has only been included in 2% of all tunes I’ve provided. Each one was more or less a false assumption that low rpm means big mpg. But chugging along in 6th at 1.2k will get you 6mpg (tested)
     
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  10. May 15, 2021 at 10:55 PM
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    Ftfy :rofl:

    Yup, when I made my own I noticed that quickly. So honestly I don’t see a big advantage in 8 way. 3 ways have always been plenty for me. :hattip:

    In all seriousness…. What’s gonna happen if I flash a 91 tune on the SC? Ryan at magnuson told me himself “they change a lot of tables” (mhmm) but the main ones are afr, timing, and airload. I may just bring it to a dyno shop and try and work something out but want to have a place to start, and those seem fairly easy.
     
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    You can’t tune afr or intake timing on ECT, S, and D independently right now. So we don’t really have 3 way map switching right now the way we will with 1.3.
     
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    Holding a low gear off-road so that your can keep engine RPM/tq in a good place seems like the situation I would want gearlock.
     
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    this is exactly why I have been reaching out to Gen2 Maggy users who have tables for their AFR and Timing (advance are retard) - but so far to no avail. Yes the 3.5 and 4.0 are different but those tables can provide a lot of useful information comparing NA to FI. Every software update brings more questions and fewer answers. I hope a solution to the Maggy comes soon and I can simply let this thread, frustrations and product die. JMO.
     
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    What solution are you looking for? Is there anything actually wrong with AFR or ignition on it? Or just shifting.


    Gen2 and gen3 ECU logic is literally nothing alike. And forced induction tuning has real general/basic rules.
    If you take data from a 2nd gen and plug it into a 3rd you'll very much likely blow your engine if you somehow force it to work.


    Tuning forced induction on a naturally aspirated motor requires a lot of EFI experience, knowledge in the subject, and a lot of time learning the ins and outs of the specific application.

    Our product is designed for professional calibrations.
     
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    Yes I know, it was more or less a bad joke… but technically we we have 3 way map switching with the ability to tune for a daily driver on normal, tune for ect for more get up, and flip to S to use as a gear limiter which most people will use more than a tuned gearlock s mode anyways. 3 different drive modes is good enough for 99% of tacoma owners.
     
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    You aren’t responding to me again but
    the solution I’m looking for is the ability to tune the SC how I want to. If I have to do a bunch of reading/learning etc so be it. If I have to upgrade to pro license so be it too, I’d be happy to provided there is guidance from you to learn how to make our own like you had mentioned would be coming soon in the other thread.

    The things wrong with it is literally everything people complain about with stock but with more power, so its almost even more annoying
    1) hesitation and hiccup upon takeoff that 2.0 fixed
    2) giant stutter and sometimes just no response almost like its confused at WOT that 2.0 fixed
    3) shifting logic is back to absolute garbage at higher speeds- gear hunting etc. Not as bad around town as stock but still more clunky than 2.0. +Clunky downshift approaching a stop that tuning fixed
    4) Would be nice to actually get some hp out of these and throw on a smaller pulley (yes I know I’d need an upgraded fuel pump and hope you release them again) but obviously the steps above are higher priority
     
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    Shifting - the AT fly in the ointment. You fixed it and Maggy managed to F it up. As noted you can take the horse to the water but you can't make it drink. Everything you have said about 2nd Gen and 3rd Gen and FI tuning we have heard from you - we get it - all we want to do is learn. Our frustration is with them and not being able to utilize your SW to fix something that is so obviously wrong. There is a solution - buy a MT and swap the SC out to it.
     
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    The software magnuson uses is no different than any other pro tuner. Nothing is actually stopping anyone.

    The reason magnuson has made a tune is because they have experience tuning and know what to do.
     
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    So here’s a question. Is it possible to tune the transmission separately from Maggie’s tune? Or is it all wrapped up in a single file and not possible to do separately?
     
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    100% I get that. I am fully admitting I have 0 FI tuning knowledge and want to learn which is stopping me from diving in.. Hoping we can learn some from you based off the previous post you made, and based off the fact that when it comes down to it you know more about the 3.5 than probably anyone in the US including toyota engineers lol. If I have to buy more credits and pro tuner etc Idc pile it on me, just want to learn and make my truck drive better with the SC. Any reading suggestions etc in the meantime while we wait for guides?

    “VF Tuner will soon have Forced induction calibration guides available, however some of the patched maps are only available on Pro tuner.

    We will not be making a tune for the magnuson SC. Instead we will provide documented guides on how you could make your own tune.“

    No. It’s all wrapped up in a single file. @ktbell444 had a cool idea to potentially have partial maps locked so we can tweak tip in, shift logic, AGM charging, etc separately so they can still protect their IP but allow users to tune to their liking for more simple things, but Matt has a lot on his plate already so I’m guessing that’s either a no go or maybe way down the road.
     
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