3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

I prefer the HPSV lights over the LED street lights.

 

Yes I do find that interesting as well. Especially given how long HIDs and LEDs have been available at the consumer level. I believe what you are referring to may be an astigmatism. My brother has it. Although in his case it is mainly related to the brightness of lights but it worsens in the rain.

 

this is a bot, right?

 

I'm not sure how to make this any more clear to you. Your lights have drastically LESS distance projection than stock. Sylvanias headlight LEDs don't even match stock performance, and you are running the ultra low performance low output fog version. The lights are sold as 'fog use only' by the manufacture and specifically warned to not use for headlights due to inadequate output. Yet you keep wanting to try and refute science, expert recommendations, and the recommendations of the manufacture of the products that specifically stating you should not do what you are doing, as it is unsafe and dangerous. But you refuse to listen. You saw how your last thread got locked for unsafe recommendations that you refused to listen to?

Bad LED fogs in the headlights "upgrade"


Halogen upgrade

 

No you did not. Your bluffing will get you nowhere in this community.

Weird statment to make from someone that has illegally low levels of headlight output and no side or forward throw.

Again a strange statement to make being literally the worlds best highlight expert specifically referenced my thread here as an excellent example of why the products you are trying to promote don't actually work. Let me know when the worlds highest automotive lighting authority agrees with you that drastically reducing headlight output and distance projection is a good idea.

 

You are clearly a troll. Those lights are beyond pathetic, as measured by science.

I did test the Sylvania product as I posted in responses to you earlier, with actual measured product test results, except rather than using the low output fog model that Sylvania says specifically should never be used in headlights, I went the extra mile to import their headlight version internationally. You know, actually following the manufacture safety guidelines. And even their highest powered headlight LEDs don't match the performance of stock.

Typically when someones thread gets locked, and they continue to perpetuate the same lies they end up getting banned from the forum.

 

Solly - your thread got locked because you were such an idiot. You keep making the same unsubstantiated claims, screaming "look at my video look at my video" without having even an inkling of understanding of why a video can't possible show you anything close to reality and why the medium is so misleading, but you continue to believe what you think you seeing without having the slightest ability to understand anything about what you're talking about. Go read Virgil at Candlepower Forum - the expert that Crash is referring. He'd spit you out in an instant and probably just ban you from the sight. Or go spend some time with Stearn, send him an email and get to know him a bit. Another real lighting expert based in Canada but who consults for both U.S. and Canadian lighting authorities. You could do yourself a huge favor, and us too, by learning how to listen more than you speak, and keep listening until some of other people's knowledge and expertise starts to sink in. Because all you're doing is showing off your own ignorance and making a huge fool of yourself. For you own sake, shut the fuck up for a while and stop trying to re-write history without knowing a thing about it.

 

Somewhat curious about the swap, but $1K+ buys a lot of H9 bulbs. I wonder whether OEM LED low beams or H9 low beams are brighter.

Do you know if your friend has a Limited or Pro truck? To make things confusing, the new headlights come in two varieties. The Limited/Pro 4Runner have bi-LED projectors, with a mechanical shutter that unveils the high beam- this one is said to be very underwhelming. The rest of the lineup get single LED projector low beams and use the traditional halogen reflectors for DRL/high beams, which are decent performers.

 

Funny you should ask. Look at what OEM LED assemblies just showed up today, courtesy of @Too Stroked. These are the LED low beam only units.


I have a backlog of other lights I need to get tested in order of being received before getting to these though.

 

I think the 2022 T4R’s will all have led high and low beams. It’s one of the new updates across the entire lineup.

 

Yeah the fragmenting was sort of puzzling to begin with. But it sounds like the original halogen reflector is the choice for performance.

 

Tungsram H11-55NHP/BP2 Nighthawk Platinum Automotive Bulb, 2-pack

Tungsram Nighthawk Platinum



@skierd sent me these to compare to the leading Tungsram (formerly GE) Xenons.



Tungsram places the Platinums below the Xenons in performance.

I didn't have any Xenon +120s on hand to compare directly, but looking at the Platinums vs the GE Megalight +130s, it looks like the Platinums might have a slightly tighter coil winding with a slightly longer coil. The Platinums have the blue coating only forward of the filament, just like the Xenons, which reduces filtration output losses from the light passing through the blue filter before being reflected off the rear of the projector and projected forward.



Tungsram Platinum left vs stock Osram standard right


Measured output stock vs Platinum


Wow. I had to double and triple check those numbers. To put that in perspective look at how they compare to the Xenon +120s.



The color temps are even nearly identical. I cannot explain the discrepancy, though there is some variance from bulb to bulb, so I swapped the other bulb in the package and got similar results with a peak lux reading of 1210. I did a side-by-side visual test with the high performing GE Megalight +130s.

Platinum vs Megalight +130


GE Megalight +130 draw at 60.3w


Tungsram Platinum power draw at 64.3w


I'm not sure if Tungsram has made improvements to the product line since the acquisition of GE lighting, as my tested products and bulbs I have on hand were manufactured under GE. I might have to pick up some Tungsram branded Xenons to have a better side-by-side comparison. But these Platinums are stellar performers, as the best H11 tested yet. And if you missed the link in the beginning, Amazon currently has them at stupid pricing of less than $8 a pair shipped (vs $35 for the Xenons), easily one of the best lighting deals around.

 

So pretty close to Hella H9 territory on output at a slightly reduced power draw and similar color? That’s the bulb to compare this to I suspect. Philips H9 still has the edge for max output

The price and availability make this a bit of a game changer for me. I may switch the minivan over.

 

I highly suspect the price is temporary, but all the Tungsram bulbs seem much cheaper than they used to be under GE. These are plug and play whereas the Hellas do require minor trimming or a harness mod. While peak intensity may be similar, the H9s should put out more light overall, so I’d expect a little more light outside of the hotspot with the Hella H9s vs the Tungsram H11s.

 

Yeah, I’m thinking of target user. Someone actively looking for the whitest halogen bulb they can get for Tacoma low beams with very good performance. If you make the jump from Philipps H9 to Hella for color, this bulb, at least at the current price, should be worth consideration as well since 10w is more than 10% reduced power draw.

That was always the appeal of a high performance H11 to me, keeping current draw low / in spec with original design. The math on 10w over 300h isn’t really significant, below a gallon of gas, but the appeal of improved efficiency was a bit of a “feel good”.

I think we are past any concerns about the bulb base mod for the Tacoma. I have a ton of H9 connectors and swapped my low beam harness over to them. Also just popping out the center green plastic gets the job done with less time and is 100% reversible.

 

Haha, $46 on Amazon Canada but that's par for the course. Cheaper to buy from the us in USD

 

I was expecting something better than stock, but not better than the GE mega lights! Thanks for testing these @crashnburn80

I ordered a set originally for my mother in law’s F150, and a second set for my fogs in case they tested well. Guess I’ll get another set for my low beams!

 

Mind blown at that price. I ordered two sets just now in case there was some sort of pricing error, just to have as backups, the tested performance is just a bonus. Thanks for your educated analysis. Please update any testing you do, very interested.

 

This might be a stupid question but is the color temp the same as stock halogens or is it ‘whiter’ light? I noticed you mentioned color temp but I can’t decipher whether you’re referring to stock or another bulb (and what that bulb’s temp might be). Thanks!