Can you say excessive force....

Tacoyota · Jan 16, 2011

no one relies on the police , till they need them. I have multiple firearms, like many,I dont intend to be a victim. I just wonder how you'll do a break in investigation,DUII crash into you, or a GTA investigation without them.

Daudio · Jan 17, 2011

tuckr2 said: ↑

Do you understand diabetes? Have you ever, ever had an issue with someone who has had a diabetic reaction? I seriously doubt it. Take a few minutes and go read up.
Being a manager of a very large airplane manufacturing company I have had the opportunity to work with many diabetics (Type II) myself. Individuals whose blood sugar gets out of control, act in many ways exactly like drunks or someone high on drugs. Trying to protect them we have had to have multiple people hold them until we can give them some form of sugars such as juice. They can and do remain combative frequently until their levels have reached a manageable level. When this type of incident occurs they rarely remember anything of what occurred.
Personally, having seen enough of this I highly suspect this person was coached by his lawyer, but then that's why they get paid the big bucks.

Go read up. Ask some real medics, doctors, hell google it. Learn how bad this can be. If the officers were afforded more time to make these calls they likely would de-escalate their tactics. Unfortunately, officers rarely have more than a few seconds to make life and death decisions. In this case their is a good chance they not only saved this persons life but the lives of other innocent people as well.
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I have plenty of experience with diabetics, the cousin I was talking about in my last post was diagnosed with type II juvenile diabetes when she was 7. I understand what happens when their levels get low and of course they should not be driving when they are low but to taser someone who is having medical issues 7 times is outrageous. That must have been a bitch of a cop if he can't get an old man with low sugar levels to comply without using a taser 7 times...

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For me and most patrol units we dont like to write tickets. I like to give warnings. If you say "Yeah I rolled that stop sign or yeah I was speeding and was in a hurry, sorry." Thats is about 90% odds of getting a warning. Saying "I didnt roll that stop sign at 15 mph" Means you will get a ticket. The objective of a traffic stop is to either use it to see who and what is in a car or to get a person to change behavior. Denying you did anything wrong means a warning wont cause change. WHen you are told to stay on the hood and you lift up that is the first sign of resistanc and must be met with immediate force to regain control of the situation. Now I am a little slower on the trigger if I think I can talk people down but I dont knock any officer who slams you back down on the hood once you disobey the lawful command to stay there. As a citizen you must obey police commands... that how it works here in the USA. If you dont like it you can leave or go to jail.

Searching your car is reserved for criminal types (turds in police jargon). When you look like a criminal (turd) the initial stop is just probable cause and we are searching for more serious offenses becasue you look like a criminal. Police dont waste time on searching little old ladies cars. To get a search for weapons you look like a criminal. Perhaps you have tattoos that look gang related, perhaps your clothing style, looks like something a turd would wear, perhaps your attitude is such that they feel like you are not a normal, productive citizen, but rather a turd. We do our job becaue of a desire to protect society from the criminal element. Something makes you seem like the criminal element to police... even in online discussions. Odds are, you are a criminal. If it walks and talks like a duck its probably a duck.
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You don't knock any officer that slams me on the hood of my car while I'm not doing anything wrong and they are illegally searching my car???? As a citizen I have rights and don't have to listen to a fucking things the cops say unless I am doing something wrong, which I don't! Again you are accusing me of being a criminal and you have no idea what you are talking about. The more and more you talk the more and more you are fitting yourself into that section of punk ass power trip cops that are asshols just to be assholes...did you not get enough hugs when you were young or something?

Infra said: ↑

If it sounds and comes off like a dirt bag cop who thinks he is the shit because he has a gun and badge and can tell people what to do, it's probably a dirt bag cop. Just saying.....
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X2....thank you!

DevL said: ↑

You are the other obvious turd in this thread. Only criminals are anti police in my experience. I even get along with conspiracy theorist, anti government types, nut jobs, weirdos of all types shapes and colors with all manners of tattoos, piercings and whatever else you might imagine, and all manner of "non standard" non genric people... I dont get along with criminals though. People who are anti police are upset their criminal desires are abated by the presence of police. They resent they have to obey laws and not breach the peace.

I dont think I am the shit because of a gun and a badge... I am very detatched from my work. I do it for the benefit of others. I could do whatever I wanted to and make way more money. I had a turd who was drunk and high, flee once I lit him up, do a 180 on the service road and head on my patrol unit at full throttle. I pulled my handgun and he ducked behind the dash. When he came up he had a cigarette he lit and not a gun. I holstered and calmly pulled him out of the car and cuffed him. Most officers gave me shit because I didnt beat his ass... and dont get me wrong this guy talked massive shit all the way to the jail and during booking and DESERVED a beating. You know the type... flat billed hat to the side, black socks, loud mouthed, lots of tats.

"You cant stop me you can only slow me down"

"You are a punk little bitch with a badge"

"I will be out by morning"

"I been in jail before this aint shit to me"

etc. all night long

Trust me.... I wanted to kick the guys ass! I didnt. The world would be a better place if I just put a bullet in his head if you ask me. The badge does not protect me from people like that. It protects them from me. Beating his ass would lose the case and then he is out endangering the public again. What good does that do? Had he reisted me you can rest assured I would have popped his window and tossed him onto his head to gain control. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes the police have to kick peoples asses. If you are not comfortable with that then dont be a cop, but dont armchair quarterback the job either.
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That is the attitude we want from police!!! You want to put a bullet in someones head because he was wearing a hat and had tattoos?!? You should be fired. You seem like the exact type of cop that is the reason I hate your kind. Not all cops are bad but after talking back and forth with you, you are... The badge protects them from you? Why? otherwise if you didn't have a badge you would be beating the shit out of citizens in your spare time?

You are a joke, the reason people don't like cops...You are not making any logical statements except that the people questioning you are "turds" and "dirtbag criminals." AGAIN, I obey the law 100% of the time but because I questioned you, you think I'm a criminal??? Does that go for everyone that you encounter? I just feel bad for the people you are supposed to be "serving and protecting."

4x4Runner · Jan 17, 2011

Daudio said: ↑

I have plenty of experience with diabetics, the cousin I was talking about in my last post was diagnosed with type II juvenile diabetes when she was 7. I understand what happens when their levels get low and of course they should not be driving when they are low but to taser someone who is having medical issues 7 times is outrageous. That must have been a bitch of a cop if he can't get an old man with low sugar levels to comply without using a taser 7 times...
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That would be Type 1 Diabetes not Type 2. Type 1 diabetes is a auto immune disease where the body attacks the insulin producing beta cells of the pancreas. The alpha cells of the pancreas produce glucagon which is a hormone (like insulin) that triggers the liver to dump glucose into the body.

Type 2 diabetes is a controllable condition where the pancreas simply is not producing enough insulin to control the bodies blood sugar levels. With type 2 diabetes exercise, diet and weight loss can "cure" the disease but if you fall off the wagon and gain the weight back and let your diet go to shit it will return.

Type 1 insulin diabetes is a chronic disease the those diagnosed with it will have it the rest of their lives and there is no cure for it. They must monitor their levels and dose themselves with insulin based on what sugars and carbohydrates they are going to be eating. It is very dynamic in the fact that simple carbs are processed differently than complex carbs sugar alcohols and fiber also have an effect. Insulin injection location can play a part on how fast the insulin is processed by the body. A diabetic can easily recognize the signs of low blood sugar but if it drops to rapidly they must rely on those around them to recognize and act to bring the blood sugar levels up.

goride · Jan 17, 2011

Tacoyota said: ↑

The overall feel for the thread is simple, whatever happened to the diabetic guy, is being twisted to justify anything police say as wrong . Its like some of you are building excuses for your future crimes by demonizing and illegitimizing the law via the police.
I see bikes here in Portland act that way, running stop signs.. their excuse.. " i'm not a criminal , you cant stop me , bike have to run stops to preserve momentum... " on and on it goes. Face it , the day your truck is broken into or stolen,think about yourattitude here, the freedom to bray you took , think what an idiot you may have been now that the police are there for you.
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Last year 3 cars were broke into on my block. cops didnt even show, over the phone gave us case numbers,thats it.guess they were out slammin "turds"on the ground.

MxRacer190 · Feb 13, 2011

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