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Help w/ 3-way switching

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by jsackspot, Jul 10, 2022.

  1. Jul 10, 2022 at 2:08 PM
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    jsackspot

    jsackspot [OP] Well-Known Member

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    Hi, I currently have a Powerswitch running some circuits. Would it be possible to have VDC always on for a light circuit, _and_ be able to use a relay for a manual switch?

    Diode with the output of the Powerswitch tied into the relay power out (86)? Would something like that work? What diode?

    See illustration.

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  2. Jul 11, 2022 at 9:50 AM
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    jsackspot [OP] Well-Known Member

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    No one has an SPOD, Switch Pros, or any other circuit that wanted a secondary manual switch?
     
  3. Jul 16, 2022 at 2:43 PM
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    jsackspot [OP] Well-Known Member

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    Ok, redrew and rephrasing— could a diode or secondary relay (or both) be added to allow the switch box to continually have power to turn on the light (box below)? Utilizing 87B? Unsure.

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  4. Jul 19, 2022 at 9:08 PM
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    pin 87 = input - *FUSED* Constant 12+vdc (probably truck battery)
    pin 87a = input - powerswitch 12+vdc circuit wire
    pin 30 = output - provides 12+vdc to light
    pin 85 = input - 12+vdc from manual switch
    pin 86 = output - to chassis ground

    this configuration allows for two power inputs and one output. this also keeps power from back feeding into ethier circut. With the manual switch off, the powerswitch can be activated and still provide power to the light.
     
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  5. Sep 1, 2022 at 11:32 AM
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    I knew I was close, but this helps immensely; thank you.

    Is there an 'always on' fuse tap (still waiting for Meso fuse cover to be in stock) on the driver's right switch panel that's recommended? Any advantages or disadvantages to this (other than perhaps the obvious of accidentally leaving it on)?

    Another note: the Powerswitch has 'trip' inputs ('control terminals') that can also trigger a circuit, perhaps even bypassing a relay: https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/web...398EC08/EN-US/Garmin_PowerSwitch_OM_EN-US.pdf

    Haven't looked into it, but it seems like another option?


    I thought there was another relay that could be added (can't recall) that auto shuts down?
     
  6. Oct 23, 2022 at 10:02 AM
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    QQ; couldn't all these polar pins be swapped like 'normal'? Ex.:
    pin 87 = output - provides 12+vdc to light
    pin 87a = input - powerswitch 12+vdc circuit wire
    pin 30 = input - fused 12VDC
    pin 85 = output - to chassis ground
    pin 86 = input - 12+vdc from manual switch

    In other words, 87 swapped with 30, 85 and 86 swapped.

     
  7. Oct 23, 2022 at 4:57 PM
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    for pins 30, 87 | In short, no
    for pins 85, 86 | In short, Yes (if no diode is present in the relay)

    Please take a look at the image below.


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    For a single 5 pin relay, 87 & 87a will always be the opposite of whatever pin 30 is. one of them has to be an input and the other has to be an output.
    Traditionally, 30 is the input and 87/87a is the output.

    in your use case, 30 is the output.

    87 & 87a will never complete a circuit between those two pins..... if they do, you have a short due to water getting into the internals of the relay - you have way bigger issues at that point.
     
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