Gun Control

I have just moved back to America with my Wife after 6 years in the UK, and I must say that the comments on gun crime decreasing are not necessarily true. over the last two years there have been many gun related deaths in those two years then there were the 4 years previously.
As for gun control being a positive, to some degree i think it does have its merits. Like why do you need to own an AK47? (apart from your friends thinking you are cool) I own hand guns, but do not see the point in owning AK's and M1's etc.In othere ways, i agree with a previous poster who said banning guns would increase homicide with other weapons. Part of the reason we decided to leave the UK (London) was the knife crime.(Apart form the freexing ass weather!) Youths are especially prone to carrying knives, and last year we had record numbers of youths being killed with knives. Unfortunately it is not the weapons that do the killing. I blame it on the culture we have allowed to develop in the western world over the last 2 generations. Just my two cents...

Just to show i am not taking this thread as seriously as some, and to ruffle some feathers further, i thought i would point out that the USA did not win WWII single handedly and that the USA were the latecomers...though i am sure the other allied's appreciated the late surge in support!
U.S. (after 1941), Great Britain (UK), Russia, Canada, China (Nationalist Forces), Australia, India, South Africa and New Zealand were Allies

Look, Canada does have a military!

We should berate the neutralsn not our allies...

Belgium (May 10 1940-invaded)
Brazil
Greece (October 28 1940 invaded)
Holland (May 10, 1940-invaded)
Luxembourg (invaded 1940)
Norway (April 9, 1940 - invaded)
Poland (September 1, 1939- invaded) Yugoslavia

I know i am new here, but this thread has intrigued me in that it started as an interesting debate about gun control and spawned into insults and insinuations. I thought we were here to share the things we had in common. Next we will be arguing about religion!

 

Again, thats why I included the "and your grandfather too most likely".

I dont need a history lesson, if its anyone giving a history lesson it should be me.

You forget the fact that the US was supplying the British and the Russians well before our offical involvement in 1941, with aircraft and ships most noteably.

I dont appreciate your snide comment, "I'm sure they appreciated the late surge in support".

The world would have eaten a big pile of shit if it wasnt for the Amerian war machine in the European theatre, and Trumans moxy enough to use the bomb in the Pacific.

I hear people talk about "Oh, the poor Japanese people, how could the US drop such a bomb on them"?

The world forgets that in 1931 (Mukden incident, early Sino-Japanese war) the Japanese invaded Manchuria China and raped & ruthlessly murdered millions of men, women and children of all ages. Later in 1937, during the Nanking massacre, the Japs killed and raped another 300,000.

Who were the real "war mongers"?

How dare anyone in the world call the US a "war monger".

 

Well said tiger!!

 

I have a far healthier respect for the Canadian military now that my husband and older son have done some research on WWII as well. Not that the state of the Canadian military has anything to do with gun control laws.

One of the problems with the gun control argument is that both sides base that argument on statistics. Statistics can be usedful in some situations, but overall are far too easy to manipulate to a particular end. The "for control side" can come up with plenty of statistics that that gun control works, and the "against control" side can come up with an equal number of statistics that say that it does not. Statistics, then, are not particularly useful in this case. Another problem is that we don't know how to quantify the argument without satistics.

The bottom line for me is that I don't trust the government enough to give up my guns. We are all only human, and greed and the desire for power are great motivators in the world. I also feel that however guns are aquired by criminals, they will be aquired somehow. Taking away the law-abiding citizens right to bear arms will not effect whether or not criminals have them. Education and respect for the gun would go a lot further in the control of accidents than adding more laws to an already-law-bloated legal system. I'll reference idiots firing into the air--perhaps if someone had explained the laws of gravity, there would be less of a problem here. Or perhaps if someone had locked up the guns upon the cracking of the first beer, these people would not have forgotten the laws of gravity and basic responsible gun ownership. That last, I think, is the real key. Education on basic responsible gun ownership would be far more effective than more useless laws.

In answer to why one would need an AK-47, there may be no need at the present time, but they sure are fun!

 

First of all, I never berated USA involvement in WWII. Just stating some facts. Mr Roosevelt was the mind behind the Normandy Invasion and we would probably have failed without that. Please dont read my comments as an attacking platform..

Oxymar00n,
I never said the Polish were not involved in WWII? If you read my statement, they were neutral till they were invaded. Sorry that you misunderstood. In fact, the Polish have a great history in WWII, i especially admire there paratrooper commando forces which were based out of England.

I didn't mean to bump heads with anyone, and i struggle to understand why emotions are running so high?

 

Well said, and good points!

 

HaHa, it goes without saying in all fairness..

 

I just found a hint of snideness in "I'm sure they appreciated the late surge of support".

Since a mans word is all he has beyond his human right for survival, I'll say ok. I understand you did not mean for that to be taking as it was. My mistake.

 

Rich, we already covered that.

 

I think this post summarizes the end of this thread. We have covered the subject well enough. Thread Closed.