Tacoma engine transfer/swap to another pickup body...

It’s disingenuous to suggest that Toyota replaced frames out of the goodness of their heart. I don’t know what years they are replacing frames up to. I got rid of my 2008 in 2016 after the frame was sprayed with CRC as part of the campaign. I’m vaguely aware that the inspections are ongoing, up to early 3rd gens now. If they are still replacing frames, it’s likely to avoid further litigation. Same frames (05-15). Same problem. And likely the same result at trial. The buy back of 1st gens was somewhat about face saving. It’s not a good look to have frames snapping on, particularly on a vehicle that is under 10 years old. The buy amount was generous at twice book value. Especially when you consider that a vehicle is not road worthy with a rusted out frame. But you only got the payout if it was used towards the purchase of a new Toyota. The experience would leave me leery of putting my trust in Toyota, as was the case for my friend when he tried to sell his 2000 in 2008, and it failed a pre sale safety inspection.

 

I would actually consider swapping my 3.5 for the 2.7 if my motor grenades at 60k like these other ones have done, and if there's a straight forward (parts swapping only) and somewhat cheap way to do it.

 

Its incorrect to say toyota only did it because of a lawsuit, else they would only change the frames of the required years. All vehicles rust in the rust belt Toyota is not unique in this. Early 2000s dodges were quite bad, the cab mounts would rot out in short order presenting a major safety hazard. Not as eye grabbing as a cracked frame, but more unsafe as you could keep driving blissfully unaware of the issue, but no service campaign from dodge. You could bet if there was a lawsuit they would do the bare minimum, not keep replacing parts on out of warranty trucks, not required by the settlement. The body would also rust out meaning a frame swap wouldn't even solve the issue. Toyota's issues are not unique the salt destroys anything made of metal.

 

It's incorrect to say that Toyota made the admission that their frames were of poor quality. And yes, I'm aware that the frames were sourced from a vendor, but they still ended up under Toyota trucks, and that puts the onus of QC on Toyota. I can go province by province and find the results of the class action suits across Canada. Even with those results, I had to fight like hell for a year to get Toyota to recognize that my truck was covered. Dealer and corporate playing dumb about the existence of the campaign. Living in an area where salt is used quite liberally on the roads for as many as 7 months out of the year, I am well aware that anything metal will rust. Some vehicle manufacturers problems are worse than others. If nothing else, I should thank Toyota for the lesson on proper care and maintenance if I am at all concerned about the longevity and structural integrity of my vehicle.

 

Toyota doesnt have a rust issue, they have a customer not washing their trucks issue.

If you take the time to clean your trucks, fluid film them, and fix chips in the paint then you wont have rust issues.

 

So? You would have had the same problem with any other manufacture, but no new frame. Still sounds like Toyota did a better job than anyone else. And again they are still changing frames on trucks not called out by the lawsuit. You should really take it up with who ever salts the roads, they are the ones damaging your truck.

 

I have seen rusted frames on other manufacturers. But not to the extent of Toyota, and certainly not with under a decade in service. After the Tacoma fiasco, never again. I'm an extreme case in care an maintenance now. Annual rust prevention treatment. Touch ups when needed. Expel PPF on chip prone areas of the sheet metal, and Dr Color Chip on any chips I come across when detailing. At over 190K kilometers, my truck drives and looks as good as it did when I drove it off the lot with 28km's on it. Most people probably don't give their car or truck that level of care. And yet they won't have to put a new frame under their vehicle even if they hang on to it for 1o years, or 12 years, or 15 years. It's been a Toyota issue for years. To call it a lack of owners washing their vehicle issue, (not you, the guy above your post) shows a lack of understanding of the extent of the problem. I hope for the sake of 3rd gen owners, Toyota has it figured out.

 

Lol dude, my Dakota rusted trough the cab mounts in like 5 years and we only get salt 2/3 months out of the year, rocker panels rusted like a year after. Those dodges were horrible and no way of getting replacements free of charge, but continue on thinking Toyota has a special problem. Gm? My dad had an 07 Colorado, bumper looked like swiss cheese in like 3 years, it was still in warranty but of course rust wasn't covered. As for the frame, well lets just say that after 6 years I was glad he never towed with the thing. Toyota isn't special.

 

Our experiences are very different. The only vehicle I've had rust issues with was my Tacoma. Grew up in the 80's watching the bodies melt off of Toyota trucks within the first 2 years. I still love those trucks. The body of my sister 92 Carolla was perforated before I saw the first bubble of surface rust on my 91 Civic at 9 years of ownership. Neither of us knew very much about upkeep back then. My girlfriend has a 2002 and a 2008 Chevy 1500 for her business. She's terrible at regular maintenance, much less preventative maintenance. Other than some rust around the wheel well on the 08, they are both solid trucks.

So yes, I do believe Toyota is somewhat special when it comes to their rust issues. And I believe the fact that there were so many class action suits over this issue sets Toyota apart from other manufacturers.

Anyways, we don't agree, and that's fine. Thank you for keeping the conversation civil. My leaking fuel tank has been fixed. I'm off to take the plane for a rip before dinner. Summer is getting short, and it'll be out of the water for the winter before I know it.

 

I'm really not sure why Toyota got singled out for a law suite over this. I've been under a lot of vehicles and none were spared the rust. I think maybe it has to do with the fact people expected higher quality from a Toyota. I can say from personal experience with dodges (the Dakota and various full sized rams) that they rusted as bad as what I've seen on "bad" Tacomas. Of course though, once one lawsuit goes through the lawyers smell blood and they go after every lawsuit they can get. I personally believe the people salting the roads should pay for the damages but thats just my opinion.

 

I worked in a junk yard for a few years taking apart cars. Chevy and ford were "blow torch only" when it came to frame parts. It took too much time and effort to get bolts out, so we would send suspension parts with the chunk of frame they were bolted to, let the customer decide how they want to remove the bolts.
We took only cars that were 5 year old or newer.

 

One time i tried to get a cab mount bolt out, and the whole mount spun around and smacked my head.

 

Do what real toyota enthusiasts do, 3.4 swap it.

 

Hm, how so?

 

Man, I’m too exhausted from the other dumpster fire that’s still raging. Gonna let you fellas have at it in here and just observe.

 

It’s slow and underpowered. The auto shifts all over the place and the manual gearing is off. It’s not the worst in the world but I would swap an engine into the truck before using this engine in any other truck.

 

Slow and underpowered compared to a TRX? I honestly don’t understand this complaint, even on stock tune. I mean it is a 3.5 NA v6 in a midsize truck.

I flashed my ECU with premium SFOB, running 94 E0. Before I added 33s and about 600 extra pounds, I would say the truck was fast. Now I can definitely feel larger tires and the weight but I feel totally comfortable driving around city and highway. Good power from the stop and good passing power. Also, I’ve towed about 4500 pounds and my rpms didn’t go over 3k rpms, even on slight hills.

The only time it feels “underpowered” is when I’m driving trough mountain passes at max payload maintaining 85-90, while driving up steep curvy and long hills fighting strong headwinds. Was in 3rd at about 4700-4900 RPMs, not flooring at all by the way, just didn’t wanna lug it in 4th.

I drove two 2019 AT ORs in city and highway and to me transmission shifted just fine.

The reverse in the manual sucks yes, but it also sucked in my other 2 small pickups. Its easily solved with a 2WD low mod. I’ve used it a bunch of times and it’s a lifesaver. The second gear could’ve been a hair lower but it’s not a big deal to me at all.

 

It does well enough and is comparable to other midsize trucks but that doesn’t mean it isn’t slow and underpowered. It needs about 350whp-350ft/lbs to be decent in my opinion. The V35A-FTS used in the Tundras now would’ve been a good choice had Toyota waited a year to introduce the 3rd gen Tacoma. The engine came out in the Lexus LS500 in 2017.

 

These engine debates seem so silly to me. From my casual observations, all of the (v6 and TT 4s) engines in midsize pickups have about the same output (275-300hp) and trucks have a comparable 0-60 around 7s. If you want a full size pickup engine, buy a full size pickup.

My personal butt-dyno experience is that my Tacoma is the fastest most powerful automobile I’ve ever owned. I was literally startled the first time I floored in on the hiway to make a pass. All ya gotta do is use the slinny pedal. It will get up and move.