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Box next to ecm

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by volcomstone1223, Sep 16, 2022.

  1. Sep 16, 2022 at 10:01 AM
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    volcomstone1223

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    Anyone know that the beige box that’s mounted next to the ecm is for? All it says is PP-T40 trying to figure out if I need it or not.

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  2. Sep 16, 2022 at 4:56 PM
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    That is the Instrument Panel Junction Box No2, no you can't remove it as it is integral to the wiring of the truck (most if not all of the truck would be dead if it was left unplugged). It's basically just a box full of jumper wires that route all the electrical power and signals where they need to go.

    Assuming the 05 in your profile here's the diagrams.
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    05-06 Instrument Panel JB No2.jpg

    05-06 Instrument Panel JB No2 Inner Circuit1.jpg 05-06 Instrument Panel JB No2 Inner Circuit 2.jpg
     
  3. Sep 16, 2022 at 5:34 PM
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    That one looks suspiciously detached…
     
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  4. Sep 16, 2022 at 6:03 PM
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    Indeed, I'm interested to know the story/reason behind the question. I've never been exploring under my dash for things that might not be needed.:notsure:
     
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    remember to check torque on the ECM mount bolts or it could be you ;)
     
  6. Sep 17, 2022 at 5:06 PM
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    I had the entire interior out and getting rid of anything not being used anymore
     
  7. Sep 21, 2022 at 8:20 AM
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    If you REALLY wanted to, you could butt connector all those connections going through the junction box and get rid of the box. It's just there to make it easier to diagnose/unplug/work with the harness. It's just making connections between different wires.

    I have a first gen and the junction boxes are 1/3 the size of 2nd gen one and I want to eventually eliminate them as well.

    If you're organized and take your time, you could do it as well, but can't say how it would turn out. Instead of a sleek box, you might end up with a chunky part in the wire harness where all the butt connectors are.

    Another thing you can do, if so inclined is to get rid of the gauge cluster alltogether (and the the large number of wires that are associated with it), and install something like a Scangauge or Turbogauge which connects to the OBD2 port. You'll go from 20+ wires that are used for the gauge cluster to 5 that the OBD2 port uses. But, you'll loose things like leds on dash that tell you that the turn signal or the hibeams are on.
     
  8. Sep 21, 2022 at 8:26 AM
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    But why?:eek:
    That's just building in problems and makes future electrical troubleshooting a nightmare, there's nothing wrong with the stock setup.
     
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  9. Sep 21, 2022 at 8:27 AM
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    He said he wanted to eliminate things. Some people just like tweaking things.
     
  10. Sep 21, 2022 at 9:08 AM
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    As someone that does a ton of electrical and driveabilty troubleshooting I hate it when people modify factory wiring as it makes things very difficult since it renders factory wiring diagrams useless.
    Many shops won't even touch vehicles with modified wiring due to difficulty in tracing wires and liability concerns.
     
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  11. Sep 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM
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    I won't show you pics of my wiring then. :D

    But really, sometimes it makes sense to eliminate unneeded wiring. E.g.: my 2000 came with wiring for ABS, cruise control, and power door/windows but not the actual ABS/CC/PDW. I removed all the wiring, and now I have spare good quality wires and a cleaner wiring harness.

    I personally think that the wiring harness could be whole lot more simplified than it was from factory.
     
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  12. Sep 21, 2022 at 10:05 AM
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    Manufacturers do that so they don't have to build 20 different wiring harnesses for one vehicle, factory harnesses are typically very neat so not sure why one would want to cut it up just to get rid of a few wires that the average person wouldn't even know the difference about.
    Good luck finding someone to troubleshoot it when there's problems.
     
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