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Discussion in 'Garage / Workshop' started by EL TACOROJO, Sep 17, 2010.

  1. Jan 11, 2023 at 6:57 PM
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    You're nuts drilling all that by hand. That one project alone seems like it would justify the cost of a table top drill press :eek:
     
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  2. Jan 11, 2023 at 7:10 PM
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    Hahaha, the problem is I’m on a time constraint. The drill press is great but takes longer than doing it by hand. Having to move the piece each time to get it positioned under the chuck on the drill press takes too much valuable time. Sure would make things nice on my wrist and hands if I didn’t have to hurry up and get these finished!
     
  3. Jan 11, 2023 at 8:56 PM
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    Kirk beat me to posting!!

    Well with sweating if it does not look good pull things apart and do it over.

    Don`t forget to wipe off the flux when done with a damp cotton cloth.
     
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    Damn...how hard or bad is it to fab up or even make up a quick jig?

    I ask because I would have to do something like...make 300 of these -

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    They'd require multiple holes at certain distances for both mounting and to hook on for powder coat.

    A piece of angle iron clamped down for the tube to sit against, and a piece as a "stop" and I'd run the first hole for 100-200 at a time.

    Move the "stop" and drill the second hole for another 100-200.
     
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    I agree anything to make your job easier !

    With Ryan`s job I would have made a steel template fits as many pieces as possible in my vise banged out at least 10 plates cobalt bit lots of lube . far faster and easier then by hand.

    I venture I might have a few more days at this love of my life.
     
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  6. Jan 11, 2023 at 10:59 PM
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    Definitely could have come up with something I’m sure as far as a jig to make things a little easier on myself. I made a jig for welding up the small piece of tubing to the larger piece of tubing so that they’re straight inside of each other haha. I’m getting faster with each one so at least I’m not hating these things as much as day one lol
     
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    I was always the one to figure out the best way to get things done on Millwright jobs for a few years.

    Using all the assets on hand with a few minutes of thought.

    We are all different no wrong way whatever gets the job done.
     
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  8. Jan 11, 2023 at 11:11 PM
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    Following up on this; figured I'd cure a little bit of that curiosity if you're bored.

    As mentioned, I purchased the Crossfire and opted for the XL option (larger cutting area), Z-Axis option (torch height control), water table (self-explanatory), and laptop stand (also self-explanatory).

    Buying the basic kit by itself you are presented with a large, heavy box. Here she is with everything out -

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    Each box is labeled, and there are smaller boxes (for your sub-assemblies) as well as bags that are both numbered and well labeled.

    Unfortunately, all the options I purchased with my table arrived separately with the exception of the Z-Axis kit -

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    Figured I'd start on this since assembly can't begin without the XL kit in hand.

    Here's the electronics enclosure -

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    Opening her up -

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    Clear instructions are provided as to how to add the stepper motor controls. Here the module is installed -

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    You get these parts as well for providing voltage from your plasma cutter to the electronics enclosure; this voltage will be raw (using the banana plugs) or divided (barrel plug) coming from your machine which it uses to determine torch height -

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    Since my PrimeWeld CUT60 is CNC-ready, I opted for soldering the barrel plug and torch control to the plug already in my possession -

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    For production costs I'm sure, Langmuir uses the same electronics enclosure for their larger system. You can see the connectors and port for a second Y-Axis motor -

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    Got bored and said fuck it, let's start assembly of the frame -

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    Week later my water table arrived; it's that large box that my laptop is sitting on -

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    Water table ready for install -

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    Slat holder and slats installed -

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    Another week later and my XL kit finally arrived. It replaces the Y-Axis tube and gantry so I went ahead and got it installed. At this point, there's a bit of a process to ensure the X-Axis and Y-Axis are square and that the torch holder is level with the table top -

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    After that, it was time to install the guide rails and stepper motors -

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    Spent a little time and got the Z-Axis kit installed -

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    What was supposed to be a 2-3 week turn around for shipping turned out to be over 6 weeks total.

    Install for the basic setup was really documented on Langmuir's website; having all the options and using their site to navigate and install those is where the confusion came. It assumes several steps going back and forth and skips a few things even. That's why I had the laptop with me to go back and forth with the instructions.

    One real downer is that the legs have 2 bolt patterns with 2 legs each having said bolt pattern. I received 1 leg with 1 bolt pattern, and 3 legs with the other bolt pattern. Not a huge deal as it just kept me from being able to use a 'tube spacer' but Langmuir just shipped one out after I confirmed I was missing the correct leg. Also, my Z-Axis kit was missing the 2 nuts and bolts for mounting the module into the electronics enclosure. Picked some up at Home Depot so took care of that easily.

    I do have the laptop stand but the instructions are poorly written. It's super easy but it says I'm supposed to have certain hardware so we'll see what they say tomorrow.
     
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    WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
     
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    Actually, did you get the laptop stand for yours?
     
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    Congrats on joining the CNC plasma team!
     
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    naw, I had an old desktop PC laying around that I used for my table
     
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  15. Jan 12, 2023 at 10:14 PM
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    Yota X Some say dresser, I say dryer.

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    That scissor jack setup looks deadly. Throw a tire under that rig. lol
     
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    Yota X Some say dresser, I say dryer.

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    Looks like you have about 100 in copper and another 100 in fittings plus regulator. Can you just double up the mutli stage dryer/filters? and/Or put a $50 dehumidifier in compressor room?
     
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    Just what does the 49/60 mean?
     
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    Awesome news that you got your system.

    I was pretty intimidated by all the parts but got it together. I never even ran the break-in program because I didn't see it in instructions. Not recommending you skip that step though.

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    Most of us PW Cut60 people go with raw voltage because some of the early units (like mine) had issues with too great a fluctuation range of the signal coming off the internal voltage reduction board in the PW (CNC port output). Langmuir briefly removed PW C60 from the approved cutter list but has since added it back. I went initially with raw straight off the board because it was right after they pulled PW from the list.

    Primeweld says that issue was cured at least a year ago, so you should be fine, but if you start having firing issues you may want to investigate. That is one possible cause of firing issues. If you call PW, they will say it was never really proved that their board was at fault anyway. They say Langmuir units were too sensitive to small voltage fluctuation range...corporate pissing match basically.

    Also something to consider, a lot of guys use a dimple die to recess the table drain. There are pros/cons both ways. If you plan to setup a storage tank for the water, without the recess it helps stop some of the grit from going down into the tank. But it also keeps the tray from draining 100%.

    I did not recess mine. Since I went with tank w/pump inside, I cut a piece of scotch scuff pad, twist it into a spiral, and push it into the drain to act as a filter when I drain mine. If you go a bucket type catch basin, maybe no need to worry about grit and then I would recommend the die/recess.

    Man, she was so clean when new :drool:
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    Lastly, the laptop stand is very flimsy. I haven't rectified it yet, but it wobbles way too much. The arm material is so thin its little value.

    I'll get a few pics in a couple hours and add to this post.

    Edit: drain filter, ghetto ground clamp
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    I don't have a compressor room. Open 40 x 50 garage. Oppressive humidity in summer.

    Cost, yeah probably $150 or so. I didn't add it up, but you're right, another cannister set would be cheaper.

    Just adding additional filters doesn't lower the air temp as much, so theory is there can still be water unless you go through enough desiccant beads to pull it all. Thats the advantage to this - plenty of pipe for conductive heat transfer. Also, if I do add a refrigerated dryer, the lower the temp going in, the more effective those function.

    This system is basically maintenance free. Others have proven it works so I thought I'd give it a try.
     
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