4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

So, this information came from JLD94 on Tacoma 4G, whom I've noticed WASN'T given credit by many of these lazy news organizations, who didn't even see it for another several hours and report on it, especially Motor1 who are no longer on good terms with me. How unfortunate.


Interestingly, per the patent I discovered something. A previous patent was filed in Japan on December 13, 2021 as the priority patent, the day before this above was revealed. These photos are from 2021 in fact, not even this year like these news folks keep stupidly claiming. They are NOT fake. The Japan Office Patent filing also seems to reflect that, which is when their Japanese counsel (law firm) submitted these documents containing these images to that central patent office in Tokyo under registration no. 2021-027375.



It seems that on June 10, 2022, these Brazilian patents were filed on Toyota Jidosha Kabushiki Kaisha's behalf with Clarke Modet’s counsel, out of Rio De Janeiro. The filing reached a new status on June 28, 2022, when it was recognized as this:

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Mr. Modet's law firm failed to either recognize a warning from the Brazilian Patent Office on January 17, 2023—in which the confidentiality of the patent would be rescinded and left open to exposure—or his attempts to extend deferment from publication likely fell through earlier. On January 24, 2023, the Brazilian Patent Office clearly followed through with their "threat" and released them to public access. Unless Toyota either okayed this themselves (or Mr. Modet is probably in some deep shit for not being on top of it), if this happened the way I think it did.

These are words verbatim from the Brazilian Patent Office on January 17th, to Toyota Jidosha Kabushiki Kaisha, the assignee of the patent filed 6/10/2022:

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Modet likely filed a request to extend deferment on September 30, 2022 and they made the decision on January 17, 2023, to reject the extension request and his office didn't catch this in time. Or Toyota, told them not to. I expect it's the former scenario.

Shame on Motor1 for not giving due credit to Tacoma4G, if that's the case at all, as when I publicize information and someone takes credit in the media, I will take them to task over it.


That aside, it is very CLEAR that once again, the subject of trolling (me) by questioning my credibility keeps coming up. I don't have to really be on this forum and can comfortably take the approach, similarly to others with inside information have done, which is to stay silent to avoid unwelcome trouble such as prosecution. I won't name those others—because I know who they are and already know they've decided to wisely maintain secrecy—even if silence is not in the interest of curious users wanting advance information. I especially respect that, as they value their jobs and privacy.


For those of us putting in the additional effort, I have to say this:

It is utter bullshit and very disrespectful that the past 4 years, I have done my best to keep people aware and informed on what I know is happening with the Toyota 920B Program (and other programs) to the best of my well-informed knowledge. Only to be subjected to constantly defending my professional perspective against arrogant blathering that lacks substance. I don't have this problem with things Lexus or Infiniti forum-wise, which is puzzling. Some of you are just terribly stubborn and willfully obtuse, but I do know why sadly. It's unfortunately a personality deal and you'll inevitably find more of these types in certain automotive niches. Plus, I will say some of you have terrible attention spans and poor memory retention, if insight I have said here and hasn't even been deleted, cannot be referenced by simply checking my post history or trusting others who might heard from me privately, on deeper details.


TFL makes one video as to “what they’re hearing”, based on some vague insider they claim to know and other outlets copy it almost verbatim. Yet when I leaked to Motor1 in February 2020 (now persona non-grata) the trajectory of this nameplate (where I first let it be known it was due for MY 2024 and no later nor sooner than that), the media exactly did this lazy nonsense. I see it and know it again today.


Back then, no one else spoke on that subject until I did. Why do I know that? Because I had leaked the USA Land Cruiser future plans, which was shared insight passed onto me in October 2019 from Toyota conferences and I expanded on that insight from my source. They—the media/vloggers—all struggled to get the damn narrative right. Because unlike Motor1, NONE of them had talked to me directly to know the real story nor did anyone else independently confirm what I had said with their own independent source. They wanted those easy clicks, so why not pretend they heard from that particular "insider" too? Well? They didn't and I saw through their hollow reporting, which fell apart quickly per many off details. The public trusted them anyway, AS USUAL, despite my warning people incognito, that the reports were being taken out of context and misleading.


I have been an unnamed insider on many other news stories in the industry since 2011, on some things you do not and may never know about. I don't mention everything I comment on, because some of it can invite a lawsuit.


I stand by my expertise, especially because I work in this industry and have done so for over a decade. Still, it hasn't changed me; I am still the same person I was before entering it. I am not somehow above posting on forums like I used to, such as so many other people in my field, who seem to look down it and even look at forum posters as beneath them who they once befriended during undergrad years. So know that it doesn't serve me—nor you—to waste my damn time coming here, in an unpaid capacity, to try to keep some of you informed on new developments and ongoing changes. I learn about them from my own skilled research, a multitude of internal R&D corporate personnel and Tier 1 supplier personnel who are gracious enough to share with me. I can say the same of another fellow user, who thankfully set one of the trolls straight on questioning his information on this truck.


If you are not doing the work or making the effort yourself, please don't badger me nor anyone else on here (2-3 insider users), having the audacity to question our credibility constantly. Especially if you are not putting in such effort yourselves by doing the research, and not being helpful to fill in the gaps for other people on here asking questions. @TacoBuffet, @TacoMTga, @shakerhood, @Lt. Dangle, @Jeff Lange, @stevesnj and too many names to list, are always trying to help out, while Toyota rightfully keeps mum on a lot of details as a business. This isn't directed at you and so many others doing the good work.


I have made it my business on both a personal endeavor and professional (benchmarking) level to know the past/present/future product planning history of virtually every well-known nameplate out there. I do this to learn the methodology of how each OEM approached developing a given vehicle differently; I apply what works well to my own field, in order to expand my own knowledge going forward.


I not only have a veritable and judicious track record of staying well-informed; humbly, I have nothing to gain from sharing and engaging on here. My fervor for the industry—its specialization and its enduring innovation—drives my earnest ardency towards doing the research, listening to insight, and engaging with the public. Unlike some of these egoistic and egotistic loudmouths whose hubris and pride underlie their dearth of expertise and underline their severe lack of credibility.


To some, it seems like my input stems from mere speculation. Despite only sharing a sliver of my secret knowledge as well as emphatically encouraging other people to also contribute. So I really don't appreciate the snarky, passive aggressive asshattery I come across, as if I somehow pull things out of my ass and go on & on off pure speculation. Others may take this behavior sitting down and brush it off, but I won’t. I address you head on and nip it in the bud, after too many times in trenches.


I decided that dispensing my knowledge in a medium such as YouTube, or via blog, is worse than limiting the privileged information to these forums, in being detrimental to maintaining trust with other insiders. You see what’s happening with Automotive Press, aka David Chao. He’s frozen out because he’s been too public. Because I do not take that transparent approach, the lazy and cocky types who falsely liken themselves to the greatest "smarter-than-that" skeptics have a bone to pick with me. Yet often still find themselves trusting mindless clickbait if it came from their favorite vlogger on YouTube. This is not solely a TW issue, but it's a pattern I am trying to change in the North American automotive enthusiast community. I deal with it virtually everywhere.


When it comes to the engine lineup, I am not the only person who has confirmed the 2.7L 2TR-FE for 2024, which didn't make sense to me, but I passed it on anyway as soon I got confirmation. It is very clear some of you live under a rock and find it better to insult my credibility; simply because you do not even bother to help bring new info to the table yourselves and when someone else manages to do so, you attack them for it. Classic case of “Crabs in a Barrel” syndrome; instead of encouraging fellow Tacoma owners to give you the goods, you shame them over it. Throughout the few occasions some of us "in the know" are posting, if you were truly paying attention, maybe you would've caught another member or two confirming this to be true—in addition to my commentary. Posts are rightfully deleted to protect identities and livelihoods, but it doesn't negate the authenticity of the information. Because you missed that, it's easier to attack me like other people who are the worst ignoramuses around. One of them which I strongly addressed last year, for attacking @TacoBuffet and many other members who are ever so helpful.


Across many forums, I have been dead accurate on many subjects I touch on over a very long period. The 2021 Bronco: I was the leading source on that U725 program from 2018/19 to 2021 because the media kept tripping over itself, until they actually got their own ACTUAL insiders or our dealers sharing advance knowledge. I leaked the Bronco Raptor plans—before anyone ever knew about it outside of Ford. I leaked launch plans on many subjects and still do so, but I don't toot my horn for job security.


Before my Ford phase, in 2018, I shared that Ghosn had approved a heavily reskinned 370Z at $250 million as well as Frontier plans, but I met resistance elsewhere and let time prove me right. Idiots trusted the media on 400Z nameplate and other conjecture, I warned against it in being just "Z" and was attacked by many over it in some other spaces. I won that battle.

With the Bronco, I took a risk which prompted an internal investigation to sniff out a mole. Things like that put me in a very awkward position, just to keep people aware of what's coming. Like any reasonable person, I proudly admit that I certainly do not know everything. How boring would that be? I'm always learning.


Generally, I won't log in if I have nothing tangible to share and can risk jeopardizing my credibility with poorly known information. When it happens, I am transparent about what I get wrong, such as trusting one of my sources on the 2024 GX being a rendering behind the BEV showcase (it was Lexus TX). The Lexus guys took advantage of it or used it as an opportunity to smear me. I know that because, one of you keeps going to a Lexus forum and reposting what I type here or on a 4Runner forum. I can tell after that things became extremely frosty, simply because one mistake I made. Another mistake, was my hinting at how the 3.5L V6 would be dropped entirely and how I suggested the V35A-FTS engine as a possible option for the TRD Pro. My source mentioned that, with a warning it likely won't make the cut. Again, I am simply a messenger. When I am speculating without a source, I directly state that distinctly.


What I keep seeing here is the same tired pattern on many of these truck and 4x4 forums. Because truth be told, when I used to post on Lexus, BMW and MB forums, the users & moderators there conjointly knew for a fact how these things work. It wasn't unheard of as to how I would have that knowledge in the first place. Like many here, those who don't flinch at nor question what I've said know how this industry works. They know that my input isn't farfetched. On those other forums, a lot of the ridiculous and repetitive remarks or questions often being asked here—often thread-derailing attempts—wouldn’t be resurfacing after already being answered in the first place.


The fact that I am a verbose intellectual and often long-winded seems to be more the issue here (aka TL;DR) than what I actually have to share. Unlike most insiders and auto industry veterans who comment, I am not cold enough nor morose enough in my messaging. I prefer to come across much more warmly and upbeat, but I have observed that is not enough. It is very obvious to me the type of buyers existing within this specific niche, who give themselves away almost instantly. I never saw this clashing of personalities when I briefed people on future Jags/LRs, 7-Series, S-Classes, and other high-end vehicles. Because even with huge egos, many of their owners try to understand my well-informed commentary, respecting it with little question and regarding it with high esteem. Some have even offered the craziest perks to me: Like inviting me to the other side of the world for dinners/events or offering me a corner office as their consultant. The PMs I get on various forums both humble me and would astound many, but I rarely accept any of these offers or much-appreciated gestures. Again, I don't share everything I know publicly; but those who do receive it, appreciate it greatly.


Some of the Monster Energy “dudebro-douches” or suburban cowboy types present who often show up in things trucky or mainstream sporty car forums—wearing their vehicles like an accessory, continuing to think they are somehow special and better than the rest on some false sense of masculinity. All based on their misplaced skepticism against someone who has a much better track record than 95% of commentators out there (sadly). In every. single. thing. I do, I bring my A-game. At such a young age, I wouldn't have become this successful in my career if I didn't diligently apply myself in everything and try to bring something to the table. Nor the support to achieve it. And I think that speaks to many of us here as well. Most of whom, because of that hard work, don't even flinch at buying one of these loaded up in TRD Pro or Limited grade. Some of which purchase even much more expensive vehicles, which share additional garage space. Some just spend their money on different things too.


Over 2 years ago, there was a nasty big thread in the 2nd Gen subforum whining about the 4th generation speculation being too soon. It was deleted by mods—after I dealt with some BS commentary attacking my credibility and personal character in a childish fashion; following being in absentia for months. I chose to re-emerge, to answer some questions in the 3rd gen forum and also merely respond that December, in kind, to the ignorant drivel and took care of some folks. I am thankful that ugly thread was deleted in 2020. Well-overdue, as I certainly didn't hold back and decidedly let some folks know who they were in a very straightforward—albeit blunt—and real manner.


I didn't mince my words at all. I refuse to ever go there again because I am definitively averse to making deeply personal and ad-hominem insults under this handle. I have definitely left a few forums (i.e., when discourse becomes too partisan—and no longer objective—or when shit becomes too personal to even be bothering). I left the Bronco 6G forum, because of the constant negativity and having felt my job was done to inform them, once Bronco launch began. Knowing this truck is almost in production, I don't even think I have to say anything further, since it will be public soon. So, let the next guy talk about this. Because I am too overwhelmed in my own personal life with taxing duties that make this a challenge within itself to keep up with weekly.

Some of you are so incorrigible and proud of it, you don't want to learn anything new from anyone else, like I've (humbly) done over the years and thus build upon your existing knowledge. Whether it is the Tacoma, Frontier, Ranger, Nissan Z, or etc, the same hard-headed characters just keep messing it up for everyone else. I am not the only one who puts up with this. It's exhausting, when the search function exists in every forum and no one owes you any extra answers nor proof of how they came about secret information, which can expose them.

I am not "some random guy who claims to be in the know", being that targeted discussion of the 920B Tacoma (aka Gen 4) entered the public sphere via me in January of 2019 on TW and in some other spaces before that. No one expected any Tacoma redesign before the 10-11 year mark after Gen 3 launched in September 2015. I made it my mission to ameliorate that expectation, which was 2023 back then. It fell 1 year behind, but Toyota have proven me right once again after half a decade. If you're never gonna learn how this shit works or at least try to, then you fucking won't, simple as that. I thank the rest of TW, who get the damn picture, are not as pigheaded and always looking for a fight. The corporate world is too much of a headache, to be doing this on the computer too.

 

Additional room in the engine bay would be a nice feature, it's pretty good right now. Extra battery, compressor, fuse boxes, etc.

Only one idler pulley on that serpentine belt, that's great.
Going to be a lot easier to replace when it starts squealing at ~0k.
Wonder how easy spark plug replacement will be at 60-100k, the driver side on the V6 could have been better designed.
Pulling the skid plate to replace the oil filter or maybe a newer bigger hatch to access every 5k+.

 

Well, apparently I stand corrected. Thanks @Carmaker1 for the clarification on the leaked images.

 

I feel like I have been deputized.

 

@Carmaker1 thank you

 

I would let @Carmaker1 fuck my wife.

 

Same, lol. I still dont understand it and hate @Carmaker1 has to deal with such bs here, such a valuable resource here and a first look on the inside to us enthusiasts and fan boys and instead the clucking hens push him away and continue their nonsense. Hopefully he knows there are the majority here that are beyond grateful for all the inside info and continued information, first looks and hears.

 

You just don't wanna be the only one that has it burn when they pee.

 

Guys it’s just some early photos of a truck. You’ll see the real thing in a few months. It’s not like someone found a cure for cancer.

 

I am just thankful that there is someone here giving us real info so we can make informed purchasing decisions

 

We don't know that. Maybe that's what Toyota is hiding in the blurry pics and weird skirts on the mules.

 

Dang that’s so sweet

 

That is likely cancer and reproductive harm in California.

 

I totally get you, you’re not alone and are totally appreciated, keep on trucking bro

 

Thank you for the insightful information. Some very interesting stuff. Thanks for all ya do, sucks that truck forums like this do seem to attract some dickbags, like you’ve mentioned.

 

We’ll all get around to it at some point, yes.

 

DV8 is ready

 

I wonder if this means they’ve been given a prototype to work with by Toyota…. Pure speculation ofc

 

Paragraph one. Turbo engines are more complicated, more expensive, require complex ecu.

Next comment. The turbo V6 is essentially the 2GR-FKS with a turbo added

Doesn’t sound much more complex or expansive to me.