Electric vs Gas Cost

Partly because Japan is pushing hard on hydrogen, not BEV. Japan is resource poor, they are not building more nuclear power plants, they can’t import electricity, but they can import hydrogen just like oil.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Be-water-Japan-s-big-lonely-bet-on-hydrogen

 

Those road taxes here were known as tolls. They were supposed to be eliminated once the particular project was completed and paid for. Guess what's still around and increases every few years?

 

Hydrogen powered cars are stupid. Depending if you take best or worse case efficiency numbers for FCEV's 100 KWh of electricity get you 35 - 45 KWh of power to move you down the road. Also fuel cells can not throttle fast. So if the fuel cell was connected directly to the motors, it couldn't react fast enough when you put your foot on the accelerator. This is the main reason why they require a battery. The fuel cell has to charge the battery, the battery powers the motors. Compare that to a BEV where the same 100 KWh gets you 85 - 90 KWh to move you down the road. FCEV's are a BEV with extra bits, and those bits are inefficient. Inefficiency = lost $$$$ or in Japans case ¥¥¥.

If Japan is betting on hydrogen because they don't have the power and plan to import hydrogen, they are fucked. All of my numbers assume somewhat local hydrogen creation. Putting it on a tanker ship and moving it across the ocean is going to destroy the efficiency. Could it be done, sure. But my bet is hydrogen is going to make oil look cheap. And importing oil or hydrogen does terrible things to the balance of trade.

 

Toyota Mirai only uses the battery, about 1.2Kwh, 4Ah , for a slight moment and the battery is used only when needed and onboard electronics. The battery isn't the main source of electric for the motors . The Fuel cell is. It's not just a BEV with 'extra bits'.

 

Where I live electric is double that amount per kWh

 

Yeh that was in JUne 2022 so I'm sure rates have gone up since fossil fuel prices have gone up. Unless you're on nuclear.

 

Too Long Didn't Watch - EV's will not crash the grid. They may even help balance it with vehicle to grid technology like the Ford lightening has.

This youtube channel is reasonably neutral. If something is bad this guy will say it, and the people he interviews here are in positions to know what they are talking about.

 

That has nothing to do with the article

 

They're not raising at the same rate apparently....

US Retail Gas Price
3.519 USD/gal for Wk of Jan 23 2023

 

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Sure, but isn't gas also a crap ton more expensive too?

 

In Europe electric prices are starting to rise, the same thing will happen here in America as well, they first have to get you into that electric vehicle once enough have done it the cost to charge them will start raising.

 

Nice how they did not use commercial chargers and only a home charger to come to that bogus result, it has been show that there is only a couple of dollars difference in the cost to operate between an electric vehicle and a gas vehicle when the electric vehicle has to use commercial chargers. In Europe the price of electric is starting to go up and people are not happy about it over there because it erases all the benefits of cheaper operation of their electric vehicles, they found out they got snookered.

 

This is another thing these electric backers never want to talk about is the buy in cost of an electric vehicle verse an equivalent gas powered vehicle, you can buy a lot of gas with the money you save on the price of the gas powered vehicle vs the price of the electric vehicle.

 

Yet every day I see electric vehicles sitting charging at commercial chargers where the cost of using commercial chargers ends up being within a few dollars of a gas powered vehicle fill up.

 

Damn it there you go posting facts again, the electric vehicle crowd hate real facts.

 

Or one to two weeks and some places longer. We live in Southwest Florida and after Hurricane Charlie we did not have power for two weeks, Hurricane Ian in 2022 we were without power for just over a week. Electric vehicles are not an answer, they never have been and they never will be.

 

Police, hospitals, stores and gas stations on the first places worked on to restore power.

 

I love that the original “study” in this thread has to include lost wages to make the cost seem comparable.

 

Driverless vehicles have not been working so well in San Francisco where they are causing traffic jams because the driverless vehicle gets confused and just stops and won't move. That is causing not only problems for commuters but also causing major problems for emergency services who can't get through.

 

It’s almost as if you could have more than one vehicle for different use cases