How important is the V6?

From a power perspective, it will be a huge improvement. But, some folks are worried about reliability. I'm hoping they'll be solid, but they're still fairly new. We'll see.

 

Thats how I feel. Many turbos last as long as the rest of the engine. Then again, I once owned an Audi 2.7T (twin turbo) and it was rare to get those past 100k. That was about a $5k job ten years ago.

As dumb as it may sound, I got my 3.5 intentionally because I had one in my Sienna for about 120k at the time and it was peppy and pretty much flawless. I also have a MT and it seems like most people who hate the 3.5 are mostly hating on the transmission.

 

No

light the fire and run!

 

Consumable items like automobiles, have value of the depreciating kind.

 

No one will ever convince me that wasn't a giant failure. Too tall of gears with a v6 that makes power up high. Its a recipe for disaster. A lug machine.

 

This turbo 4 will be epic. I can’t wait!

 

I got the 4. I’m okay with it.

 

The 2GR needs to be driven differently and shifted manually. The 1GR sounds like it's going to blow up above 3000 rpm, while the 2GR is happy at 4000 all day. Unfortunately with the stock shift logic most people will not see this. I think most people will forget the V6 once they get a feel for the turbo-4.

 

People will like the power band of the new I4 engines better than the Third Gen's V6. If the turbo in the I4 ends up being reliable then there is a good chance the Third Gen V6 will be remembered as the worst of the Tacoma engines.

That said, the reliability of the new I4 is unproven. Some turbos are just fine and some are not. The vehicle I had before my Tacoma was a 2007 diesel Mercedes GL 320. There were many things I liked about that car better than the the Tacoma including its superior towing capacity and its better fit and finish. Replacing the turbo, however, was what motivated me to get rid of it. The turbo replacement came at 150k miles and right after I replaced the air suspension.

The more complicated a car is, the more chances it has to break. I have no regrets about picking something simpler even if Tacomaworld is hell bent on convincing me to hate my truck.

 

I don’t believe that turbos are as reliable as a naturally aspirated engine. They have always been a compromise.

The good news is most people will trade their trucks after two or three years because they want a new color combination, suspension option, or just want to get into another high APR 84 month loan.

If you plan on keeping your vehicle for 10+ years, you will probably start developing issues with the turbo.

 

Many ways for NA engines to fail expensively too. By nature of it being an inline-4, the new engine likely won't have timing cover leaks or coolant crossover pipe leaks.

 

Yeah, more gears is supposed to mean closer gear ratios, not super stretched overdrives.

Hell, our MDX had a 9 speed with 2 overdrives, but it also had a 5-something differential gear, so it worked, so it's really an issue with the gearing top to bottom.

You know the Dodges and everything with 8 speeds go through like 4 gears just to get to 40 mph, that's how they get the most out of the engine.

I'm hopeful the new Tacoma 8 speed will be matched right with the engine and diffs.

 

I have a 2008 Land Cruiser with over 150,000 miles on it that hasn’t had any engine problems. I’ve run multiple Toyota trucks and SUVs up past 100,000 miles with zero issues. I just gave my 2013 4runner to my dad with 120k on it.

I’ve had German cars with turbo issues less than 100,000 miles and American trucks with turbos are having problems, but somehow I’m guessing Toyota is not going to have any?

A naturally aspirated engine is just going to have less failure points from an engineering perspective than a turbo.

 

I second this. Ford has been doing turbos regularly for over a decade and if Toyota didn't think there was something to it, they wouldn't be staking their reliability reputation on it. Technology continues to evolve is a great point. The 3rd gen V6 Tacoma 4x4 has nearly the same towing capacity as a 2000 V8 Tundra did (6500lbs vs 7200lbs) and payload (1600lbs vs 2000lbs). The trucks also weigh nearly the same, but that's also part of the evolution.

 

I think that a turbo motor made in Japan by Japanese laborers and robots is probably going to be pretty damn good.

A turbo motor built in one of 2 Mexican plants known for not putting the truck beds on straight or filling the differentials with fluid because it’s a Friday afternoon is a completely different story.

 

I think the Mexico thing is sort of a scapegoat. Lots of people blamed them for issues, but when you looked around, many of the issues were 50/50 between the plants when the US one was open. Not to mention many more of the issues had to do with parts (like the engine) that were made elsewhere entirely and merely put in the truck in said plant.

 

Toyota built trucks in the US because labor is cheaper here than in Japan. Then they shifted over to Mexico because it’s cheaper there than the US.

I’m not going to have a favorable view of any Toyota built outside of Japan, this includes southeast Asian countries as well. The panel fit on my 2022 is mediocre, but since I didn’t pay much for it, and I use it as a work truck, I’m not terribly concerned about it.

 

Idk, if thats fair to say about the Mexican auto plants now, maybe back in the 80's, there was a lot of truth to the workmanship for rebuilding electronic boards that our company sent there. I would hope quality control is much higher by now.

 

I don’t have any problem saying that the quality of highly trained highly skilled labor in Japan is far greater than just about anywhere else in the world. Same goes for their work ethic and work culture. Fucking off because you’re not happy with your job or because you’re hung over or because it’s a Friday is not a thing over there.