1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

New construction home - HVAC in attic?!

Discussion in 'Garage / Workshop' started by ThunderOne, Apr 23, 2019.

  1. Apr 27, 2019 at 8:07 PM
    #101
    OZ-T

    OZ-T I hate my neighbour

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Member:
    #27584
    Messages:
    50,578
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Peter North
    British Columbia
    Vehicle:
    Mag Grey 09 Trd Sport DCLB 4x4
    OME 885x , OME shocks and Dakars , Wheelers SuperBumps front and rear , 275/70/17 Hankook ATm , OEM bed mat , Weathertech digifit floor liners , Weathertech in-channel vents , headache rack , Leer 100RCC commercial canopy , TRD bedside decals removed , Devil Horns by Andres , HomerTaco Satoshi
    We install a whole home ventilation system through an HRV
     
    robssol and ThunderOne[OP] like this.
  2. Apr 27, 2019 at 8:24 PM
    #102
    OZ-T

    OZ-T I hate my neighbour

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Member:
    #27584
    Messages:
    50,578
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Peter North
    British Columbia
    Vehicle:
    Mag Grey 09 Trd Sport DCLB 4x4
    OME 885x , OME shocks and Dakars , Wheelers SuperBumps front and rear , 275/70/17 Hankook ATm , OEM bed mat , Weathertech digifit floor liners , Weathertech in-channel vents , headache rack , Leer 100RCC commercial canopy , TRD bedside decals removed , Devil Horns by Andres , HomerTaco Satoshi
  3. Apr 27, 2019 at 8:26 PM
    #103
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    Would that be using the PVC pipes going to the furnace that pull in air? Or another system added to what's already there?
     
  4. Apr 27, 2019 at 8:27 PM
    #104
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    So this particular house build doesn't seem to show any ventilation system that you can tell? That's what I've been trying to figure out. If not, how hard would it be to incorporate into the HVAC system? or should I maybe install a passive venting system?
     
  5. Apr 27, 2019 at 8:34 PM
    #105
    OZ-T

    OZ-T I hate my neighbour

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Member:
    #27584
    Messages:
    50,578
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Peter North
    British Columbia
    Vehicle:
    Mag Grey 09 Trd Sport DCLB 4x4
    OME 885x , OME shocks and Dakars , Wheelers SuperBumps front and rear , 275/70/17 Hankook ATm , OEM bed mat , Weathertech digifit floor liners , Weathertech in-channel vents , headache rack , Leer 100RCC commercial canopy , TRD bedside decals removed , Devil Horns by Andres , HomerTaco Satoshi
    Additional system
     
  6. Apr 27, 2019 at 8:42 PM
    #106
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    Okay thanks! Do you know how difficult/expensive that would be on a new build?
     
  7. Apr 27, 2019 at 8:44 PM
    #107
    OZ-T

    OZ-T I hate my neighbour

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Member:
    #27584
    Messages:
    50,578
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Peter North
    British Columbia
    Vehicle:
    Mag Grey 09 Trd Sport DCLB 4x4
    OME 885x , OME shocks and Dakars , Wheelers SuperBumps front and rear , 275/70/17 Hankook ATm , OEM bed mat , Weathertech digifit floor liners , Weathertech in-channel vents , headache rack , Leer 100RCC commercial canopy , TRD bedside decals removed , Devil Horns by Andres , HomerTaco Satoshi
    New install is usually not too bad , pricing would need to be done locally to you as it is site specific
     
  8. Apr 27, 2019 at 8:46 PM
    #108
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    Okay. What should I ask the HVAC guy when I talk to him? How to add in a fresh air return to the HVAC system? I just don't want to sound like an idiot lol
     
  9. Apr 28, 2019 at 8:14 AM
    #109
    IPNPULZ

    IPNPULZ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2014
    Member:
    #132087
    Messages:
    13,790
    Gender:
    Male
    Deeper in the South…….
    Vehicle:
    2023 TRD Off Road Premium 4R
    going to be fun!
    Does this installation have flow dampers in the duct work so you can control the amount of air...

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Apr 28, 2019 at 8:24 AM
    #110
    IPNPULZ

    IPNPULZ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2014
    Member:
    #132087
    Messages:
    13,790
    Gender:
    Male
    Deeper in the South…….
    Vehicle:
    2023 TRD Off Road Premium 4R
    going to be fun!
    Thought I saw where this was going on the 1st floor my bad!
     
  11. Apr 28, 2019 at 9:50 AM
    #111
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    I'm not sure about this but the blower motor is a variable speed system
     
  12. Apr 28, 2019 at 9:55 AM
    #112
    IPNPULZ

    IPNPULZ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2014
    Member:
    #132087
    Messages:
    13,790
    Gender:
    Male
    Deeper in the South…….
    Vehicle:
    2023 TRD Off Road Premium 4R
    going to be fun!
    This is used to balance the flow of air so you can push more cold air to the 3 rd floor.

    Do you have returns on each floor?
     
  13. Apr 28, 2019 at 11:13 AM
    #113
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    No, there's only one return at the top floor by the stairs. This puts it close to the HVAC. It is a 20x30

    948EE4E0-6725-4F23-B840-A8620CDB5574.jpg
     
  14. Apr 28, 2019 at 5:48 PM
    #114
    IPNPULZ

    IPNPULZ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2014
    Member:
    #132087
    Messages:
    13,790
    Gender:
    Male
    Deeper in the South…….
    Vehicle:
    2023 TRD Off Road Premium 4R
    going to be fun!
    Well that sucks when we had our TH built I had a return put on each floor and put the supply vents in the floors and or walls in closets and the bathroom. The air handler is inside the building envelope and the only duct work in the attic now is a 10 inch return. They did have the supply vents in the ceilings on the 3rd floor. Having the extra stuff done cost me about $1K ......

    I can maintain temps on each floor within 1.6 degrees plus or minus set point temp.....
     
    robssol likes this.
  15. Apr 28, 2019 at 9:31 PM
    #115
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    I did mention adding returns to each floor but I'm not sure how much "room" there is to run duct work to add them or where the returns would go.. that's the tricky thing
     
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2019
  16. Apr 28, 2019 at 9:56 PM
    #116
    robssol

    robssol If it ain't broke, leave it the eff alone!

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2013
    Member:
    #105622
    Messages:
    7,683
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rob
    S. Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    06 Tacoma, TRD Sport, SR5, 4X4, AC
    Frame 2.0, Fog lights anytime, Seatbelt reminder delete, Secondary air filter delete, LED bed lights, Running boards, 2017 Rims, Devil Horns by Andres, Ultra gauge, Cup holder/consol/glove compartment lights, Interior LED conversion, Blue Sea aux. fuse panel, fuse panel mounting plate by Yotamac, ProEFX heated towing mirrors, LED engine bay lights, Redline Quicklift Elite hood struts, Wet Okole Heated Seat Covers, Pop and Lock tailgate theft deterrent mod 2.0, Plasti-dip rear bumper. Decal free visors, Washable cabin air filter, Overhead consol auto dimming override switch, BulletProof Fabricating Skid plate, 2lo module.
    What about using a air makeup unit with heat exchanger?
     
  17. Apr 28, 2019 at 10:06 PM
    #117
    stealthmode

    stealthmode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2014
    Member:
    #143869
    Messages:
    2,492
    Gender:
    Male
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    2016 Short N Stubby Bed- MGM
    Front and Rear lifts Tires ECGS bushing Lots of other crap +HP sticker
    Worked in eng consulting for awhile. Like others have said you cant do anything about it. Vents are required by code and yes the design is not as efficient as it could be (thus the introduction of LEED certification industry) but the losses your talking about are factored into the design and as long as your comfortable inside your home I wouldnt get too bent out of shape about it. If the system is under designed and problematic hopefully there is some course of new buyer recourse you can take.

    Also have to mention all kinds of problems down the road you will have if you decide to fix that "vent problem" yourself with moisture.
     
  18. Apr 28, 2019 at 11:24 PM
    #118
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    I may just have the ductwork sprayed and call it good. Not sure yet, they're supposed to spray foam floored attics so we'll see what they end up doing.
    Will have to ask about adding addtl returns, or at least maybe one on the ceiling of the bottom floor.
     
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2019
  19. May 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM
    #119
    ThunderOne

    ThunderOne [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Member:
    #17473
    Messages:
    10,042
    First Name:
    Mitchell
    Nashville
    Vehicle:
    1ST GEN OR GTFO
    Toyota NERD
    Looks like the next row of townhomes was sprayed. This is looking through to the attic of a 2BR.

    C0FAB6F8-A478-4800-9831-25354C4A45C1.jpg
     
  20. Aug 30, 2023 at 1:14 PM
    #120
    FromNewJersey

    FromNewJersey New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2023
    Member:
    #432450
    Messages:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    John
    Vehicle:
    White Silverado Pickup truck
    From the first post, pic#3, I see that your attic insulation is going bad due to moister. This happens in the summer, when the air conditioning is running. A vapor barrier must be exposed to the warm side of a wall (ie, when hanging wall, the silver/paper side should always be on the inside, because water forms on the warm side and the foil/paper stops water from penetrating the insulation. Only water can destroy insulation, and it does a very good job at it.

    Here, with your attic HVAC, the ductwork wrapped in insulation has the vapor barrier facing outward. This is good in the winter, but not in the summer. In the summertime, your duct sweats, it destroys the duct insulation, and it drips onto the attic insulation, destroying that too. Without any insulating value, all that mildew stained insulation has to be thrown out and replaced. To stop it going forward, I would cover the new insulation with plastic wrap, knowing that sweat will still occur, but the plastic will hold the water until it evaporates.

    I completely agree with you that attic HVAC systems should be protected in an enclosed floor. All HVAC systems, btw, are 'closed systems', in that air is returned to the furnace from inside the house, then heated or cooled, and re-fed back to the house. The trend of placing HVAC in the attic started in the early/mid '90's (from what I remember in this area of the country), and it was to reduce cooling costs. However, insulated covered ductwork is always a problem unless both sides of the insulation have a vapor barrier. Also, when using AC, you must always keep an eye on the condensate drain, and be prepared to replace the pump (a small, rectangular $100 part) should it ever go out. So, it's good to keep an extra one on hand, just in case.

    BTW: Pic #1 looks good.
     

Products Discussed in

To Top