Type of o.e. lens on HID Sienna

Is this lens a projection type? Its factory HID low beam but a 9005 halogen high beam. They both have a cone over the bulb

 

It is not, those are a (relativly) rare HID reflector.

I'm surprised that it is HID, reflector based HIDs went out of favor pretty quickly from what I heard.

 

So what is good and/or bad about the HID reflector type? Along with dash leveling control switch the HID came on the limited Sienna models 05-10

Since restoring the lens I have hopes that it will be acceptable low beam lighting. I have not yet used them at night but the pattern seemed decent on the garage door.

I hope to upgrade the separate high beam as the o.e. 9005 bulbs seem little help over the restored HID and lenses. What if anything over a relay harness would upgrade the 9006 55w(?) high beam?

 

You can use a 9012/HIR2 type bulb in place of the 9006 highbeam. Will be a noticeable upgrade. Crashnburn80 has tested several performance 9012 bulbs, the Osram (repackaged in Sylvanias packaging, but with an easily seen white tag on the base of the bulb) 9012 is the best performing one available. It beats out the original HIR spec bulb, the Toshiba unit, by a small amount.

 

Is this link below the noted sylvannia 9012 hir2? I cant find the wattage. Is a relay harness needed?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/26641966814

 

9012 is a direct upgrade for 9006, they're nominally rated the same wattage. No need for a relay harness.

 

Reflector based lights lack the same beam control as projectors.

What was interesting to me was the use of a d4"S" instead of a "R" bulb. Typically a "R" bulb is used as portions of it are shielded to prevent glare (but also reducing output).
edit: I was looking at the wrong year of toyota sienna, the newer ones use projectors.

Admittedly I'm not up on hids so perhaps the new reflectors are different.

Regardless it's a toyota, it's factory hids, no reason to second guess them, it must work well enough. Good on ya for cleaning the lenses.

Toy_Runner is spot on with the bulb recommendation. And you don't NEED a relay harness, although a low resistance harness can increase output as well.

 

Since researching lighting upgrades, i can't believe how ignorant I feel with many basic and seeminly no brainers... ha, thanks for being gental...

Anyway could anyone define the acual differences between Reflector tech and projector. Arent they both Reflector.?

 

It is a Toyota OEM HID reflector. This isn't the same as running HIDs in halogen reflectors, the HID reflectors are properly designed for the HID light source to have a compliant beam pattern. HID reflectors are certainly less common. The very popular Lexus IS300 used HID reflectors.

I'm seeing the 2005 Sienna use a D2R bulb for the low beam. In the D2R the Philips Xtreme vision Gen2 would likely be my choice, which will be a substantial improvement over the standard HID bulbs.

As @Toy_Runner mentioned the best upgrades for the 9005 are HIR2/9011s. The best bulb is the Korean made Sylvania 9011. You can see the review post here. Sylvania, nor any stores differentiate between the high performance Korean made bulb, or the lower performance Sylvania 9011 German made bulb with the same part number. So to get the best bulb you must go to your local autoparts store and look at the back of the bulb to see where it was made, you want to see made in Korea. There is no guarantee ordering online. Some trimming of the top plastic bulb tab will be required to mount a 9011 in a 9005 socket. Both bulbs are rated at the same nominal power, no need for wiring upgrades.

 

Would this be a good 9006 replacement light?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166148732464?epid=8011714451

 

Holy cow they are costly.
PnP?
These?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175007595297?var=474161449846

 

Not the best, the filtration on the bulb, to get tue higher color temperature, reduces the output. Your best bet is to take a look at whats in stock at your local O'Reilleys/Autozone/Advance Auto. They are all Sylvania distributors. I have not seen the higher performing Osram 9012 bulb packaged in pairs, only in the single packs. But it is very easy to pick out, it will have a white plastic, almost "clip-on" looking base plate. But if these are not available, get the sylvania 9012 that is not visibly tinted blue.

Good quality HID burners are not cheap, but they're going to last a long long time, so the cost is low in that regard. Inam not up to speednon the best D2R offerings. I woukd take a look at phillips "xtremevision" or sylvania/osram "nightbreaker laser" lineups.

 

Are you certain it takes a 9006? 9006 is a low beam bulb, 9005 is a high beam. I'd speculate maybe a non-HID trim used a 9006 for the low beam instead of the D2R HIDs.

As @Toy_Runner pointed out, those will be better than 9005/9006 counterparts, but not the greatest. Sylvania Silverstars prioritize higher color temp which is achieved though using filters to remove light output (the blue on the bulb). The standard Sylvania Korean-made 9005 will be better. This is one you should go to the local autoparts store and check in-person, by looking at the back of the bulb in the package to see where it was made. I've also only seen the Korean bulbs in single packs, not to say that couldn't change. Go to Orilery/Autozone ect, Napa (at least locally) does not sell Sylvania.

These are the best 9006 (low beam) bulbs. Volsa HIR +120, no other HIR is available in a high efficiency plus rated bulb. But again, I think you need 9005s not these 9006s.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174099096628

Yes, those are the best D2R bulbs available. For HID bulbs specifically, I'd personally want to buy from a reputable source and not eBay. Supposedly counterfeit HID bulbs are a thing.
Powerbulbs link:
https://www.powerbulbs.com/us/product/philips-xenon-x-treme-vision-gen2-d2r-single

 

Your right. Its 9005. Too many numbers floating around between the Tacoma and Seienna I'm upgrading!

To be clear. No 9012 because that interchanges with 9006 - NOT 9005
From what I can deduct the 9005 interchange is 9011 or hir1???

So far I will be doing;
* adding ceramic 9005 relay harness to the high beams
* 9005 ebay 100w bulbs (cheap test). High beams will only be used on upcoming isolated road trip
* adding 9006 ceramic relay harness the fog lights:
* ? Bulbs
* phillips d2r extreem vision after testing and not sat the o.e.m. hid bulbs + fresh lens restore

What yellow 9006/9011(?), h.i.r (?) For the foĝ lights would you go with?

 

WOW these must be amazing. Generally $200 a set. Amazon everywhere but ebay
These for sure correct
What do you think

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175007595297?var=474161449846

 

9005->9011 both high beam
9006->9012 both low beam

Going 100w 9005s with a harness is a mistake. The Korean Sylvania 9011 HIR will outperform a 100w 9005, and it doesn't need the HD wiring harness because it is stock wattage and gets is additional output from HIR technology. You will end up paying an unnecessarily amount for the wiring harness to run bulbs that are lower performance than running HIRs that will be significantly better, which don't need a harness. Now if it is a good HD harness, you can boost performance of the HIR 9011s even more. One of the key components in a harness is the relay, many are junk Chinese products that are failure prone that can leave you without lights.

Fog the fogs, if you want to keep the halogen assemblies, the Volsa 9012s I linked earlier are the best on the market for 9012. A 9012 is pretty extreme for a fog, as that is a lot of output. So it is important to use your fogs as a fog light, when weather conditions and visibility is poor and driving at slow speeds to aid in helping find the edge of the roadway. Fogs are not an aux driving light which due to the high amounts of foreground light reduces your night distance vision. If wanting a yellow 9012, Nokya makes one. I haven't tried it, but it won't by anywhere close to the Volsa unit. If wanting yellow halogen lights, it might be best to tint the lenses yellow. Stern has a writeup here.

Yes, those are the correct bulbs. Again I'd encourage ordering from a reputable supplier. Power bulbs ships free, that ebay listing does not, at least that I can see.

 

Oops

 

Been a learning curve for me, bought a few wrong bulbs along the way but they were the jippo ebays. No harm. I'm listening. Thanks for the patient guidance. I want to do it once also. The o.e. HIDs are doing good so @ $200 I'll run them untill I find a good source.

Clear.
They visually look to be pnp... no mods?

Got ebay but ceramic and look properly sized wires. I'll swap out the relays pre install

My next hunt. Check
* probably not... say 65w & made in Japan
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174281020284?epid=2135045825

* made in Germany
https://www.ebay.com/itm/262150342961?epid=2135465056

* Do you think these are ligit? 3500k? Fog temp?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175141755268

Or these?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174099096628

* What about these Phillips xtreem that were suggested earlier @3400k

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134743372872?mkpid=0&emsid=e11304.m43.l3160&ch=osgood&euid=bd7cffd237cb425f88b595cc64e3c496&bu=43522134913&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20231003015054&segname=11304

* So the 9012 (being a low beam) are pnp for the 9145's?
Yes i live were fog can be very dense. I get the importance of correct light and aim in it. Not sure where my head was at initially, probably thinking driving lights. Check
Volsa. Check

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Again, the PowerBulbs link provided earlier is a very good source and they are about $140. You can watch for sales there too.

You need to trim the top outer plastic tab. Easy to do.

The Japan Toshiba bulbs with the giant sphere in the glass envelope are good, they are the #2 bulb. The updated traditional Toshiba bulbs that look 'normal' without the sphere in the envelop are not nearly as good. The Korean Sylvania 9011s found at your local autparts store are still best. You can see the comparison in post #5237. Seriously just go to your autoparts store.

No on the Philips 9011. Again, go to your local autoparts store, look at the Sylvania bulbs and see if they have a 9011 Korea bulb. You won't find them online since Sylvania doesn't differentiate between German and Korean, they have the same part number. If you order online, regardless of what the photo or description says, you could get either. They are the same in the eyes of the manufacture, distributor and resellers, but they are not equivalent. The Korean bulbs are drastically better.

Hmm, admittedly I had not seen the Philips Xtreme vision in the HIR2 platform before. I cannot comment on how those compare to Volsa. Generally speaking, I wouldn't be too concerned about counterfeit halogen bulbs, just make sure they are not shipping our of China or Russia. While the Volsa's have been proven amazing, the Philips Pro150 has been a very strong performer in other reflector bulb platforms. I'd be tempted to lean toward Philips between the two.

Oww, ok. No.

9012s are not compatible with 9145s fogs.

The PnP upgrade for 9145 fogs is the higher wattage 9155 which produces 37% more output than the 9145. Outside of that, for the 9145 I'd look to find legitimate SAE foglight assemblies for higher performance if needed.

 

will register and watch

Check

*sylvania (korean) 9011 HIR1 #1
*toshiba globes #2
* check @ local parts 1st
note: the toshiba are 3000k. Isnt that pretty yellow?

quick search shows nothing

So what would a good upgrade in 9155 be for gen2 Tacoma o.e, fogs? My preliminary search hasn't shown anything yet