2023 TRD Off-Road consuming oil

Well, Toyotas used to be simple and functional with limited bells and whistles, and they just worked. My wife had an old Datsun 200SX with a dash that looked like an aircraft cockpit, and when she got her '99 4Runner, the first thing she asked is, "Where's all my stuff?" I replied that everything she needs is there, nothing more.

I will say that the quality of J-VIN vehicles seems to be higher, but quality in general has suffered as they continue to try to appease the masses with creature comforts. And deal with safety and EPA regs. Today's Toyota is exponentially more complex the the pre-2000 ones.

 

Yeah, Toyota quality might be slipping in the last 10-15 years, but still, compared to the domestics there's a long way to go down yet. I booked my 2024 GMC work truck in for a recall repair (tailgate opens whenever it wants?) the service adviser acted like they were doing me a favor. Please! That is the mentality of the domestic dealership. It's not "so sorry, how can we make this better for you" and offer a free oil change or something, it's more like "you're so lucky to have us willing to take care of you" type thing. After needing a reprogram to fix some drivability issues(transmission) as well as a non functional rear view camera in 15k miles it's pretty lame. But I guess if that's what's acceptable, that's what you get.

 

GM dealers are brutal, always were as long as I can remember .Toyota quality hasn’t necessarily slipped. It’s just that we expect too much ,and the more we expect , the more companies feel pressure to put more crap in all our vehicles . What made Toyota great was simple designs . Now everyone wants a pick up truck that has an interior like a luxury car . Get 30 miles per gallon , ride like a Lexus, be able to climb up the side of a mountain , and have 500 horsepower. But wait I forgot ….to accomplish this the motor needs to be a 4 cylinder that’s turbo charged and use 0W 8 motor oil.
Cmon now …. And we wonder why stuff goes wrong and why it costs so much . It’s really become ridiculous.

 

We've seen 1GR on 4runner with a single bad valve seal that resulted in oil consumption.

They will need to do more probing.

Knowing what I know now. I'd be tempted to drain the oil, destroy the engine, put the oil back in and tow it to the dealer. (If they keep dismissing the issue)

"Not sure what happened?"

 

yet you bought one ........ doofus

 

That's actually not abnormal. Virtually every manufacturer doesn't consider it a defect unless you're using a quart every 1000 miles. We have grown accustomed to newer vehicles that use much less oil but some do. I wouldn't be happy with that from a new truck, but at the same time it isn't going to hurt anything. You do have to check your oil regularly. If you're changing oil every 5000 miles you'll only need to add about 1/2 qt between oil changes.

 

Eh, I just did a 5K run thru several different mountain ranges and some pretty HS driving across Texas and the desolate north. I didn't exactly drive like a kindly old grandfather in the mountains. Oil consumption on my 9 year old Honda, ZERO. I replaced it before I left home and when I got home.

Frankly, the oil change mile intervals are asinine nowadays. 5K on synthetic and it's time to change it. 10K, people just ask for early failures [oil use] due to modern low tension rings sticking in the piston grooves.

FWIW, it's NOT because the oil's lubricity is diminished by 10K but because of build up and tighter tolerances.

 

Toyota has entire depts of engineers working around the clock on cost-cutting. Every automaker does, and every supplier does, for decades. Before covid, most supplier contracts were written with de-escalating pricing every year (i.e. the supplier was expected to continuously find efficiencies and reduce costs).

When the cost-cutting doesn't happen, you end up with living fossils like the 70-series Land Cruiser, selling for $80k with manual-crank windows.

 

Adding on, you should have been given printouts of what they told you over the various times you took it in.
Scan to PDF and include with whatever you have to fill out to open a case'

THAT IS NUTS!

 

Oh I understand cost cutting, but I worked in quality assurance for 40 years and some of the crap I see makes me nuts! Not just crappy materials or design but also cheaping out on option packages like in my wife’s Prius Prime, that’s an XLE trim level but has a standard rear view mirror where a standard Prius XLE comes with an auto dimming mirror. Lots more examples of the same nature.

 

Good point!
Always document!
And show up w the paperwork,,, that way they know you know.

 

I find oil consumption bad if you must add oil between changes. But I would drive it and not add oil until it starts to knock then add oil and drive it to the dealer. when they question what the issue is, just say "it seems noisy".

 

That’s because Stellantis eliminated 30,000 workers in its North American workforce last year. They must have all applied for jobs at Toyota.

 

Haha! Toyota probably asks if you worked for the "competition" and wouldn't hire you if you did!

 

I saw a Pentastar 3.6 slugging almost a quart every 500 miles that had a similar issue, one intake valve stem seal was not pushed on to the guide. The spark plug on that cylinder was caked with grey soot. I was going in to look at the oil rings on that cylinder but found this when I pulled the cams out. I popped a new seal on and it went 6000 miles to the next oil change and used less than a quarter of a quart.

 

Yes I had a new 2015 Silverado that would be down a quart or two between oil changes but that was common and known in that truck. Not do much in the Tacoma.

 

I've had one 2nd gen and two 3rd gens. None of them used a single drop of oil. Not normal. Not acceptable.