4G hate especially for the PRO why?

I thought it was Toyota behind the Yotas ain't selling videos.

 

Yeah, when I look at the door jamb the 4G looks like a 3G or any other Toyota vehicle. Toyota didn't reinvent the segment with the 4G.

 

What little i watched was so rife with smugness and logical fallacy, I didn’t bother wasting my time.

I guess I should likewise unsub from this thread of sadness.

 

So you attacked the video’s content without watching it

 

Nice use of "Warholian." Well played sir.

 

Gotta admit I was disappointed with the OR Bilstiens.

 

I just traveled about sixty miles on a rough dirt road that is nothing but washboard. I think the suspension system is superb. I've been driving trucks for fifty years for work and play, and this is the best truck suspension I've ever experienced. Perhaps a lot of it is the coils.

 

Yeah I agree, it does pretty good from the factory.. Just Don’t ever put a premium shock on your pickup!

 

How many miles were on your 2001? What made you decide to buy a 2017 with 150k miles? That seems pretty high.

 

My 01 had almost 300k and frame was toast. Still gave me $4k towards my new to me 17’. Price was good because of mileage and it was a 1 owner who obviously drove a lot of highway miles. I know I took a chance buying a vehicle with that many miles, never bought one with that high of mileage before. Trucks cost more we all know! Bought what I could afford,cash money. Plan on using the hell out of it as long as I can.

 

Yep

 

...and the competition.

They just put out what Ford put into the Ranger 6 or 7 years ago.

 

Always love this reply in any forum when people are complaining/bashing about any top model choice. The fanboys love this comeback. This reply is SO FAR from the truth it is just ridiculous. I assure you there are plenty of folks that could afford a Pro and chose not to for many different reasons. For me it was the no non hybrid options, too old for the Fast and the Furious gimmick seats, and if I were to really be taking it off road I could do far better with an after market suspension set up then the factory. And yes don't worry I could have afforded one.

For the fanboys. The Pro from the outside is by far the best LOOKING model of the Tacomas but I don't need best looking.

 

There has always been a lot of hate about the 3g Pro suspension not being worth it and that has carried over to the 4g. Even if cost is not an issue (and it often is) the factory/Pro suspension is 1. installed, 2. has a warranty, 3. doesn't require extra parts (see posts in this thread about needing to do a needle bearing delete mod), 4. you get way more return on investment selling a used Pro vs a Tacoma with an aftermarket suspension.

I don't know a lot about aftermarket suspensions, but a google search for Tacoma suspension had Icon at the top of the list. Their least expensive package is $4,300 (and they go up to $9,100). I doubt they put more R&D into their systems than Toyota, you have to install them (your time or money), and while I'm sure Icon warrantees their stuff, it won't be as simple as going to the Toyota dealer to get it fixed. And if you want the SDM to get even close to the Pro suspension you need to start with an OR. Good thing you can afford it because you are going to end up spending a lot more to match or exceed the Pro suspension.

 

Well good news I did say I have no need for the better suspension as I will not be doing any heavy off-roading but based on the top hat issues I would not put that much stock in the comment above. I am fairly confident that most reputable after market suspension companies will do a far better job at R&D then any car manufacturer since all they do is off road suspension, testing and racing off road.

 

I watched how Icon rolled in the first '24 Taco they could find, slapped their off the shelf shocks on it and released videos as soon as possible. I don't have confidence in any of them. I am not at all confident that the front bumper I had installed on my truck can withstand a load. Some of these vendors don't have the margin to stress test. But, I understood the risk and will be testing it out after the snow season.

I watched with considerable interest in the rollout of these aftermarket products. It is a rush to catch the lowest hanging fruit. They have to balance losing that fruit to their competitor with having a tested product. You can assume whatever you like. I just don't have that same assumption.

 

3% failure from a sample size of only 100. The one TH/Pro failure is dubious since they have a different configuration. Last post in the thread was September. I think I read somewhere it was a (since resolved) Bilstein shock issue.

 

Yep there have been a million posts defending the small amount. Never said it was some huge issue but certainly does not mean that there R&D is all that special as you posted.

 

I was putting winter air in my tires yesterday. I noticed the bumpstomp on top of the shaft on my F-150. The bumpstop should stop the shaft from going through the top hat.

I guess there's a cap similar to Tacoma, it looked like a metal thing where the top of the bump stomp would sit. I have to look again but it seems like the top of the coil bucket would not allow the cap to go through the bucket. I could be wrong, and since I wasn't really looking at that I didn't pay much attention.

 

IF the problem was in fact limited to the OR Bilsteins and Toyota did all of their testing with prototypes/pre-production shocks and then Bilstein produced under spec shocks, is that Toyota's fault? If Toyota QA'd every batch of every part from every supplier, the cost/price would be astronomical.