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Beach maintenance

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Nebular, Jan 19, 2025.

  1. Feb 28, 2025 at 10:31 AM
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    I know that there are many more early gen Tacomas on the road in the south and the west compared to the rust belt. By a wide margin. I’m not a scientist, but I’m confident this is due to salt/brine road surface treatments eating frames. I’m not arguing that water doesn’t cause rust. I’m simply stating I highly doubt anyone needed a new frame that only experienced rain water/car wash water.


     
  2. Feb 28, 2025 at 10:34 AM
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    we don't get the freeze-thaw that a lot of places south get. Our salty water stays mostly frozen if we park outside, so the worst of the chemistry happens in Fall / Spring for us. My truck's undercoated with Krown every year and I park outside year round - looks nearly brand new underneath
     
  3. Feb 28, 2025 at 10:40 AM
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    One of the frame recall letters:
    States included in the letter

    CT. DE. IL. IN. KY. MA. MD. ME. MI. MN. NH. NJ. NY. OH. PA. RI. VA. VT. WI. WV.

    Toyota has received reports that certain 2005 through 2009 model year Tacoma vehicles operated in specific cold climate areas with high road salt use may exhibit more-than-normal corrosion to the vehicles frame. Toyota investigated these reports and determined that the frames in some vehicles may not have corrosion-resistant protection sufficient for use in these areas.

    This combined with prolonged exposure to road salts may contribute to the development of more-than-normal rust in the frame of some vehicles. This condition is unrelated to and seperate from normal surface rust which is commonly found on metallic surfaces after some years of usage and/or exposure to the environment.
     
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  4. Feb 28, 2025 at 10:45 AM
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    and it isn't just the liquid form of H2O that is the problem. Salt air probably contributes more. If you live anywhere near the beach you know anything metal corrodes a lot quicker.
     
  5. Feb 28, 2025 at 12:07 PM
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    Salt does not dissolve in steam (gaseous water), however liquid salty water droplets can be carried by the air.
     
  6. Feb 28, 2025 at 12:09 PM
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    I don’t know why people still bring up the gen 1 frame recall. Isn’t it an anachronism in the 3rd gen forum?
     
  7. Feb 28, 2025 at 12:16 PM
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    Pick your recall, my friend, they all had three things in common.

    Salt, water, and oxygen.
    No one had a frame replaced that didn't have a combination of these three elements.

    What is it about this you don't understand?

    Are you ignorant, or are you playing dumb? Serious question.
     
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  8. Feb 28, 2025 at 12:22 PM
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    Another thing to note is that based on a lifetime of observing rusted vehicles, a meager amount of research, and my engineering intuition is that the really bad rust starts on the inside and isn’t noticed until it reaches the outside. It starts inside the frame or body where you can’t see it. Water gathers there and doesn’t drain or evaporate.

    Thus cleaning only the outside of the vehicle isn’t getting to the source of the largest problem.

    I remember reading a TSB (don’t remember the year) for Tacoma frame corrosion and the treatment involved cleaning the inside of the frame and then applying an anti-corrosion treatment to the, you guessed it, the inside of the frame.
     
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  9. Feb 28, 2025 at 12:29 PM
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    From the 2nd and 3rd gen Tacoma frame service campaign:
    Can you spot the similarities?

    LIMITED SERVICE CAMPAIGN K0D (Remedy Notice) - Certain 2011 - 2017 Model Year Tacoma - Frame Corrosion Resistant Compound (CRC) Application
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    Inspection Required
    Description
    Toyota has received reports regarding frame corrosion perforation on 2011 - 2017 model year Tacoma vehicles. In these reports, customers have indicated that vehicles operated in specific cold climate areas with high road salt usage may exhibit more-than-normal corrosion to the vehicle's frame. This condition is unrelated to and separate from normal surface rust which is commonly found on metallic surfaces after some years of usage and/or exposure to the environment.
    Remedy
    Any authorized Toyota dealer in the Cold Climate States (CCS) will first inspect the condition of the vehicle's frame under associated Customer Support Program (CSP) ZKA. Based upon the results and date of the inspection, the dealership will do one of the following: If qualifying rust perforation is not found, and the vehicle is located in a Cold Climate State, the dealer will apply Corrosion Resistant Compound (CRC) and/or install frame plugs to key areas of the vehicle's frame FREE OF CHARGE to the owner under Limited Service Campaign (LSC) K0D. If qualifying rust perforation is not found, and the vehicle is not located in a Cold Climate State, no further action is required. If significant rust perforation is found, the dealer will replace the vehicle's frame FREE OF CHARGE to the owner under Customer Support Program ZKA if all conditions of the program are met.
     
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  10. Feb 28, 2025 at 12:35 PM
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    I never said salt does not increase the rate of corrosion. I questioned the relevance of a gen 1 recall in the gen 3 channel. It’s not irrelevant, but I think people point to it too often.

    I think that TSB is the one I referred to above. I think the important takeaway is that the treatment is to the inside of the frame, not the outside.

    Actually I’m not sure if what you posted is a TSB. Please post a link.
     
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  11. Mar 3, 2025 at 6:56 AM
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    Thanks Bill Nye. Doesn't change the fact that anything near the beach rusts like crazy.
     
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  12. Mar 3, 2025 at 7:06 AM
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    Pearls before swine..
     
  13. Mar 3, 2025 at 7:16 AM
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    Rinse the salt and sand off really well. Apply WD-40 liberally to everything under the rig. You can skip the spare tire, brakes and engine belts obviously.

    This will do two things.

    1. Displace any hidden water in the cracks and crevices.

    2. Leave a thin film of protection behind.

    You can buy WD-40 in gallon metal cans, and pour into a hand pumped weed sprayer if you didn't want to hand pump with a spray bottle.

    Takes mere minutes to do after a wash. You don't even need to wait for the under bits to dry first. The WD will remove the water for ya.
     

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