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3rz head bolt torque question after broken socket.

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by billyballer, Mar 18, 2025.

  1. Mar 18, 2025 at 7:29 PM
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    billyballer

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    Back story below but here’s the more to the point question:
    I had a socket break on me when torquing the head bolts, I was on the 3rd bolt of the 3rd stage of torquing (2nd round of 90 degrees) when it broke so unknown how far it was tightened. So can I just torque them to a spec to equalize the bolt that socket broke on and the one before it broke? And if so what would the spec be?
    I checked and the first bolt I torqued completely seems to be right around 75 lbs/ft
    So my thinking is do two and three to 75. Then do the rest in order the final 90 degrees of tightening.

    Back story:
    So I’m replacing the head gasket on my 2004 Tacoma 4x4 with a 3rz motor. Had about 250,000 on it. Head was done at around 50k ago but started to weep coolant into cyl number one. Suspect the shop reused head bolts so I’m doing it myself this time. All valve clearances within spec. Had the head checked for cracks and surfaced. Using factory gasket set and new head bolts. During the head bolt tightening sequence I first torqued to 29 lbs/ft in sequence. Then an additional 90 degrees to each bolt in sequence. Then started on a second round of 90 degrees in sequence but on the 3rd bolt my twelve point socket broke well before I got to 90 degrees but I honestly don’t know how far it pulled the bolt before breaking. I also feel like this may have impacted the previous bolt as well.
     
  2. Mar 18, 2025 at 8:21 PM
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    In my experience
    If one has a choice between 12 or 6 pt socket…..used the 6 pt

    75lbs isn’t that colossal of an amount
    May I ask what brand?

    post a picture of socket
    If good enough pix….
    May be able to see “beaching” of metal
    (Metal Fatigue)
     
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  3. Mar 18, 2025 at 9:04 PM
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    The head bolts are 12 point bolts so you have to use a 12 point socket. It was an old Sears/craftsman socket and it’s at the bottom of the trash bin now so no picture. But it was old and I’m sure has been through plenty of abuse in the past.
     
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  4. Mar 18, 2025 at 9:25 PM
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    Here’s a pix of the difference I’m talking about

    IMG_5948.jpg

    6 basically stronger

    but
    Will tell you…..find tht socket and take back to Hoe’s(I mean Lowe’s)

    I broke a wrench
    Was figuring on a freaking battle to get a free exchange
    I was so surprised how easy the process was.
    “Yeah craftsman tool broke”
    “Go get the same off the shelf and bring back to me”
    Was in and out in 10mins!
     
  5. Mar 21, 2025 at 9:20 AM
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    Yeah the Toyota Tacoma 3rz head bolts are a 12 point head so a 6 point socket wont work, but a proper 12 point sock on a 12 point bolt is super strong, more points of contact.
    Since it would be a lot of work to slap the rest of the motor together just to undo it again if there was a leak, I decided to face the music and bought a new head gasket and new head bolts and am going to redo it the proper way: marking the top of the bolts with paint so you can verify how many degrees you turned each one, was a step my haynes manual didn't mention but came up a lot when searching.
    I also found a socket made specifically for 14mm toyotoa 12 point head bolts and it works a treat.
    It cost me an extra $150 but will give me peace of mind at the worst and a more reliable engine at the best so there it is.
     
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  6. Mar 21, 2025 at 2:25 PM
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    im an idiot thanks for clarifying
     
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    Tip for the future.
    Before degreeing the bolts, mark them with a paint pin on the head.
    That way, you know how far you went.......:thumbsup:
     
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  8. Apr 14, 2025 at 9:30 AM
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    Just following up my own thread. I did put on another new head gasket and new bolts (marked as described above) and everything came out good. Running well with no leaks. And while it may have held the first way I did it, if it hadn't it would have been a huge PITA, more labor, more mess and more expensive if it ended up leaking.
    I've made those mistakes in the past and fortunately have learned from them.
    Happy first gen back on the road.
     
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    Trust me when I say this is extremely circumstancial. Often the employees have no idea what their own policy is and you have to demand a manager or even call the Lowes hotline in front of them.
     

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