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GM Says New Volt to Get 230 MPG in City Driving

Discussion in 'General Automotive' started by gupster88, Aug 11, 2009.

  1. Aug 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM
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    Couldn't have said it any better myself! :)
     
  2. Aug 12, 2009 at 9:21 AM
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    as much as i would like to see this happen, i doubt itll happen anytime soon. first, its hard to replace a 2900 megawatt plant such as john amos for aep with windmills that might produce 3 megawatts, basically you would have to build 900-1000 windmills just to keep up with the power produced by one coal fired plant.

    plus you have the tree huggers who complain about coal fired plants, then when we put up a hyrdro plant they bitch about us flooding the forests and drowning animals, then if we put up a windmill it messes with the migration pattern of birds. you cant please them.

    though wind/solar/hyrdo energy may be free and clean, i agree with chris in his earlier statement, nuclear energy is the way to go.
     
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  4. Aug 12, 2009 at 9:23 AM
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  5. Aug 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM
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    If we go nuclear, we need to do like France does and come up with a standardized design for all of the plants. The way they do it over there is more like making cars: They are all the same so it makes the operating costs lower because parts are the same, the layout is the same, and the management for each is the same. Very unlike in the US where all our plants are different.
     
  6. Aug 12, 2009 at 9:29 AM
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  7. Aug 12, 2009 at 9:35 AM
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    Between paperwork and construction, I hear it takes about 10 years to get a Nuclear powerplant up and running. We need to start NOW. Clean, safe energy. What a concept.
     
  8. Aug 12, 2009 at 9:37 AM
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    The biggest roadblock to nuclear plants is that there's a very strong " Not in my backyard" attitude that is very strong ever since 3 mile island. I doubt nuclear will ever be an option until the public's perception of its safety is swayed.
     
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    yeah i agree, its going to be hard to convince the public to allow many more nuclear facilities to be built. but everyone has to give in somewhere. solar/wind/hydro energy is not going to pick up the load from coal-fired plants, and though there is a hazard to nuclear plants, its seems that is the only real way to go. but with the way things are run now a days, nuclear plants are pretty safe.
     
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    GM = General Morons

    How much of our taxpayer money is going to go into that shit-hole company? what a great idea, an electric car that goes 40 miles and takes overnight to charge? And still runs on gas and costs 40k...Is that the best you got?

    Nissan has one that is more realistic, GM is dead. Yota will have one next year to put their creation to shame..
     
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    Taking government money was probably not GM's smartest move. Their typical consumer tend to be conservative Republicans, and thanks to the non-stop chastising on the various conservative talk shows and so on, they've managed to piss off that segment.
     
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    Have you ever seen an exploded gasoline powered car... just about as similar. These were the same fears that people had when gasoline first came about.... oh but what about the hindenburg... that was aluminum shavings that ignited. Hydrogen burns at a temperature that won't burn humans, tends to disipate in the air, and is the most plentiful element in the universe. The problem is that hydrogen is not an energy source like gasoline. It is an energy carrier, thus there will still be a need for an energy source to extract hydrogen from something else such as water. As soon as they develope a way to safely store the hydrogen... like they did eventually for gasoline... they hydrogen will be practical. But not as an environmental fix, but to reduce our need on foreign oil. Grid power needs to be more renewable for there to be any impact on the environment.

    the Volt would be cheap to charge... grid power is a lot cheaper than gasoline.
     
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    Yes, but it is still not renewable... I'm all for using it too but not to power a car... more likely for grid power
     
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