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0% ethanol fuel give better mpgs in a V6?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by amocat21, Dec 2, 2014.

  1. Dec 5, 2014 at 6:53 AM
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    I assume it is 87 octane...SH*TTTTT it is about $1 MORE than I pay for 89 Octane E10 here in Nebraska....I'll keep pumping 89 octane E10 and keep the cash for another NEW Taco....

    It is all about Choices, all is good though.
     
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    Friend, time does not change the facts.
     
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    Agreed. Something else to think about:

    One gallon of Ethanol takes three gallons of water to produce.(corn plants are thirsty)

    One gallon of Ethanol takes two gallons of diesel to produce. (tractors are thirsty)

    One gallon of Ethanol takes 55 cents of your tax money to produce.
     
  4. Dec 5, 2014 at 9:52 AM
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    The difference between E10 and E0 is $.55/gallon in my neck of the wood. I noticed no significant increase in MPG or HP to justify paying that extra $.55/gallon at this point. Long-term use of E10 related issues will remain a question as I plan to keep my Taco til it falls apart literally.
     
  5. Dec 6, 2014 at 5:42 AM
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    If I believed the test to be accurate (I don't, too many variables) it would mean I would routinely get 25+ MPG with my Tacoma (I don't no matter what I burn) I have tried the same basic test with mine, long miles I could not compute the difference it to was too close between 91 no ethanol and 81 ethanol the trips were to Canada where I could buy ethanol free fuel. When I filled the tank I did so to the point I could see fuel. The 25% decrease is not plausible no matter how you try to slue the figures. When the tanks are filled how full did they get it? A couple of gallons difference is easy to do with anything. The time factor does also play into it because “we hate ethanol but we don’t know why yet”. Ethanol is nothing new this all started in the 70's when all of a sudden the US realized they had no way to deal with a cut in fuel imports you may not be old enough to remember the oil embargo.
     
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    It won't, my old 97 lived on nothing but 81 ethanol for 285,000 miles.
     
  7. Dec 6, 2014 at 5:44 AM
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    where I live we have one station that carries it (one racetrac...and their known for shitty gas that watered down)and its over 50cent more per gallon....
     
  8. Dec 6, 2014 at 6:08 AM
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    http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy01osti/28893.pdf
     
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    That study is from the 90's, and it's government propaganda. They were trying to get farmers to sign up, and used fantastic numbers to make it appear that producing ethanol was much more profitable than it is. Do your own research man, and be very critical of the source. Ask yourself if the backers of the "study" have anything to gain by releasing their version of the data. You can also go look at the meat department at the local grocery store. See those crazy meat prices? Turns out livestock prices are closely tied to corn prices. Food vs Fuel is worth a google.
     
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    That station is 8 cents cheaper than the Shell down the street and 2 cents higher than the Chevron.
     
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    Like I said facts are facts and pure gas gets better mpg.
     
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    Wish I can blame this on a particular brand of gas. I used mostly E10 and added gas additives from time to time and the EGR in my car got clogged up quite nicely
     
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    Yes, and running on 91 will give you more bang for you buck, generally, all higher octane fuels are ethanol free, and 91 will give you proven power gains, and you'll save a few pennies rather than running 93 lol
     
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    Oh I forgot that, Government propaganda. Is that any thing like Fox News propaganda? Yes you are correct ethanol has an effect on beef prices about +1.5% Now the feed stock is indeed corn but the by product of ethanol production is feed to cattle and it's cheap. After the ethanol is produce the by product is what is feeding your beef along with part of the other 2/3 of the corn that is not used for ethanol.
     
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    I won't say anything that will encourage you to do any independent research. Maybe you will find enough motivation to click on some links though.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/04/20/its-final-corn-ethanol-is-of-no-use/

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/20/opinion/mcdonald-corn-ethanol/

    http://www.npr.org/2010/12/22/132082743/if-your-meat-prices-rise-you-can-blame-ethanol
     
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    It varies by locality but around here (corn belt) usually higher octane does have ethanol because alcohol is a cheaper way to get the octane up.

    But mid- or high-octane gas will only improve your economy if the engine's computer has enough variability built into its range of timing adjustments to take full advantage of it. Most vehicles do not, and generally if an engine can produce more power or get better economy with higher octane the manufacturer will state that 89 or 91 is preferred for best performance. This is usually a turbocharged engine or one with very high horsepower-per-liter with high compression, etc.

    Regardless of whether any one person does or doesn't have a problem with E10 (I never have) the fuel system has to be adapted for the moisture content with parts that are supposed to be more corrosion resistant. That presents a potential problem area but it's admittedly small.

    I will say this - when I had a truck that was FlexFuel I loved ethanol because the engine seemed way smoother and more powerful. But I didn't use it too much because with E85 a full-size truck is as thirsty as a skid row wino and unless it's about a buck a gallon less you just can't justify it.
     
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    Ethanol absolutely sucks. I winterized my echo cs600p chainsaw ( which I know inside out and tuned my self) with that pure gasoline oil premix sold in the stores ..and I couldn't believe how much faster I was able to start it from cold and how much more responsive the throttle felt when in comparison to the Hess 93 octane w/ 10% ethanol that I mix fuel stabilizer and ethanol treatment into -

    I can only imagine what pure 93 octane would do for the v6.
     
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  20. Dec 6, 2014 at 7:04 PM
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    The 93 octane probably wouldn't make much difference in the V6 but I can't see any reason at all to put it in a chainsaw.
     

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