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0W-20 in a 1GR-FE?

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by dysfunctnlretard, Jun 28, 2010.

  1. dysfunctnlretard

    dysfunctnlretard [OP] Hi

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    I was flipping through my owners manual this morning and noticed that it calls for 0W-20 engine oil?

    I thought our engines were supposed to be using 5w-30?
     
  2. chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Thor

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    For the FJ, they specify that grade to get the mpg rating it has.
     
  3. dysfunctnlretard

    dysfunctnlretard [OP] Hi

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    :eek:. If its not too much trouble, how does oil vicosity affect mpgs? Im assuming the more viscous it is, the more energy is consumed in moving the pistons which means a loss of MPGs? So less viscous translates into more mpgs?
     
  4. chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Thor

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    The crank creats the most drag in the oil. IIRC, the thinner the oil, the easier it is for the engine internals to spin, thus giving better economy.
     
  5. dysfunctnlretard

    dysfunctnlretard [OP] Hi

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    Makes sense but arent I sacrificing protection at that point? I just think its weird that they would prescribe 2 different oil weights to the same engine. I mean if 0-20 is sufficient why not market the Tacoma with higher MPGs by prescribing it 0-20 oil. I know Tacomas tow but FJ towing capacities are over 5klbs too, not a huge difference.
     
  6. chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Thor

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    In my opinion, I belive you are sacrificing protection. I have no proof of this though.
     
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    Yeah, why risk it?
    5w-30 in and watch how you use the throttle.
     
  8. dysfunctnlretard

    dysfunctnlretard [OP] Hi

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    Damn. This is stresssing me out... Should I go with common sense or what the automakers tell me? LOL
     
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    Both tow, but Tacos haul, which is where the real stress is. Think about carrying 80lbs on your back or in your arms vs. pulling it on a handtruck. That extra stress is probably why Toyota recommends a slightly heavier weight for the Taco.

    Honestly, I think you'd be hard pressed to kill either vehicle using either weight.
     
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    I agree. At operating temp there isn't much difference between the two. I would run whatever Toyota wants me to.
     
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    Toyota recommends 0 wt 20 oil or 5 wt 20 oil in my 2009 4 cyl tacoma and that has me worried.

    I live in a hot climate and asked the dealer if I could move up to 5 wt 30 oil, and told them I wouldn't mind loosing a little mileage to get a little better protection and perhaps a little longer engine life.

    They told me I could not put 5 wt 30 oil in my engine because the oil in the 09 engine does more than just lubricate the engine, it also moves actuators, and if it was a heavier weight oil it will not let the engine operate properly.

    Bottom line, I'm stuck with 5 wt 20 and can't do anything more to protect the engine more. I sure hope it doesn't result in a short engine life.
     
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    Throwning in some zMax can help you out. I have used it in all of my vehicles for the last 20+ years...

    I purchase the 32 OZ bottles of zMax. They can be used in your oil, gas and transmission.

    I don't buy the kits that you see in stores such as Auto Zone and Pep Boys with the different colors of zMax.
     
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    Oil flow is just as important as oil viscosity when it comes to protecting your engine. If your oil is too thick, it won't flow properly through the engine. Having said that, the earlier 2.7s used 5w30, so I doubt running it in the new 2.7 would be a problem, but why risk it. 5w20 will protect your engine fine.

    Here's some great research on oil that has been posted many times on TW. It's a long read, but full of info.

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/faq.php?faq=haas_articles#faq_motor_oil_basics
     
  14. Dudley

    Dudley Cranky Old Bastard

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    You may want to go here http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/ and read the oil course. It may lower your stress factor. I used to be a subscriber of the thicker is better school of oil selection. Maybe not so much now. Apparently oil viscosity numbers become closer the higher the oil temperature. The trick is to get it to flow at cold temps.
     
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    I used it in my 09 Mobil one 0-20 full syn.
    My 2010 still has Factory oil in it and I have the free change deal so I am not sure when I will be switching on the new one.
     
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    crf69 scraping my emblems off my plasti-dip

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    ummm yeah
    I am running 0-30 amsoil sig series with a mann filter.......oil gets changed every year or 35,000 miles......filter every six months
     
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    GM has many years of data to prove that the 5w20 and 0w20 are providing adequate protection. All the other manufacturers are warming up to the idea as can be seen in the recommendations from several high quality manufacturers (Honda, Toyota, et al)

    As was posted before oil flow rates are playing a role

    All in all for heavy duty applications in hot environments or lots of idleling will stress the oil more but those conditions were also included in the data GM has developed so it is fine -- I guess...
     
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    I found this chart that allowed 0w20 sythetic in the 1gr-fe v6 engine and goes exclusivly to it in 2011, 2012. It supposedly came from toyota canada but I can't find it on their web site directly. I think thats how they managed to change the fuel economy slightly. This is confusing as it is directly wrong to the other chart that doesn't allow it in the V6 engine. Perhaps it's the cold weather up here in Canada. not sure. Anyone got this oil put in at the dealership?

    http://pdfcast.org/pdf/toyota-oil-recommendation

    http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...6_zHDg&usg=AFQjCNHexaEesQvX17R-BBaaF-5hL_7qSQ
     
  19. Who Dat Popcorn

    Who Dat Popcorn Dafuq

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    It would scare me to run oil that long lol, even if that's what the manufacturer says is okay :D
     
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    Dudley Cranky Old Bastard

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    I believe that Toyota recommends the lighter stuff as opposed to the 30wt because of the VVTI technology. Oil weight apparently can affect cam timing responsiveness. The oil pressure driven servos that control cam timing are oil weight sensitive.
     
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