1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

1st gen alignment

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by crazyjeys, Jul 24, 2010.

  1. Jul 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM
    #1
    crazyjeys

    crazyjeys [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Member:
    #17928
    Messages:
    68
    Gender:
    Male
    i noticed on other threads that alignment should be 0 camber, 0 toe and 2.4 caster. but i only see it on the 2nd gens. i'll have an alignment soon, will these apply for 1st gens too? i installed 5100's set on 1.75.
     
  2. Jul 24, 2010 at 10:28 AM
    #2
    Tacorunner87

    Tacorunner87 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Member:
    #35217
    Messages:
    977
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chris
    Chino Hills Ca
    To much to list!
    Just put it to factory spec as long as you don't have CRAZY suspension modifications. You will get the best ride and tire wear at factory spec.
     
  3. Jul 24, 2010 at 8:29 PM
    #3
    Digiratus

    Digiratus Adventurer

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2010
    Member:
    #34006
    Messages:
    13,713
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Mike
    Roaming the PNW
    Vehicle:
    The RedHead
    2002 XtraCab TRD 4x4 Auto Trans With Lots of Mods King Extended Travel COs Camburg Uniball UCAs Alcan Custom 8-Leaf Rear Spring Packs Fox 2.0 Resi Rear Shocks FrankenFab Rear Shock Relocate All-Pro U-bolt Flip w/Timbren bumps Toytec 1" Extended Shackle 4.88 Nitro Gears ARB Front Locker ARB Twin Compressor 15x8 D Window Steelies 33" BFG KM2s Limited Edition Relentless Front Bumper Smittybilt X2O 10K Winch Rugged Ridge 3" LED Pods w/Amber covers Mini D2S Projectors XB35 Ballasts + 4500K Bulbs Badland Sliders FrankenFab Tire Carrier Swingout bumper w/kitchen BudBuilt Front & Bellypan Skids BAMF Rear Diff Skid Whynter 65 qt. Fridge/Freezer CVT Mt Bachelor RTT Badland Custom Bed Rack GM 140 amp alternator Dual Northstar 24F AGM batteries BlueSea 7622 ML-ACR Battery controller Peak DBI Dual Battery Voltage Monitor Magnaflow 18" Muffler Braided Steel Brake Lines AFE Pro Dry S air filter ScanGauge II OBDII Scanner Kenwood TM-71A Dual Band Ham Radio Larson 70CM/2M Antenna Uniden 520xl CB radio 3' Firestik Adjustable tip antenna Pioneer DEH-P9400BH HU Alpine Amps & Type R components (F) and coaxials (R) Wet Okole Seat Covers Weathertech Digital Liners Deck Plate Mod 1" Diff Drop Carrier Bearing Drop
    The short answer is that those numbers (0, 0, and 2.4) also apply to 1st Gen Tacomas.

    My experience is that how good the tech the runs the alignment equipment is will have an impact on the results you get. The "specs" mentioned by Tacorunner87 are way to broad in my experience. The closer you get to 0 toe and 0 camber the better the tire wear will be in the long run. If you allow the alignment place to set it "good enough", you may or may not be happy with the results. If you go into this with expressed expectations, you are more likely to leave with numbers close to as good as is possible on your truck.

    I describe it this way because you probably will not be able to attain a caster number of 2.4. When you added lift (even if it is less that 2") you compromised some of the adjustability built into your truck. The good news is, a caster number higher the 2.0 simply makes it drive better and doesn't impact tire wear to the degree that toe and camber do. I am sure you came across some discussions of this in your research.
     
  4. Jul 26, 2010 at 8:41 AM
    #4
    crazyjeys

    crazyjeys [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Member:
    #17928
    Messages:
    68
    Gender:
    Male
    thanks digiratus! on the paper that they gave me when i did my first alignment, the Caster Min and Max are 0.2deg to 1.7deg. mine came in at 1.3deg on the left and 1.6deg.on the right. but i do have a slight wandering. so do i ask them if they can set it to 2.0 to 2.4deg even if it's over the factory specs on paper?
     
  5. Jul 26, 2010 at 10:43 AM
    #5
    Space Wrangler

    Space Wrangler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Member:
    #25705
    Messages:
    360
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    JCT
    Ga
    Vehicle:
    04 DC 4x4
    04 Tacoma 4x4 Double Cab SAW 2.0's Alcan's Ion 171 wheels 15x8 (-27mm bs) 32" BFG AT's
    no toe in at all? is that normal for ifs? ..i'd think some toe would keep it from wandering.
     
  6. Jul 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM
    #6
    Digiratus

    Digiratus Adventurer

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2010
    Member:
    #34006
    Messages:
    13,713
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Mike
    Roaming the PNW
    Vehicle:
    The RedHead
    2002 XtraCab TRD 4x4 Auto Trans With Lots of Mods King Extended Travel COs Camburg Uniball UCAs Alcan Custom 8-Leaf Rear Spring Packs Fox 2.0 Resi Rear Shocks FrankenFab Rear Shock Relocate All-Pro U-bolt Flip w/Timbren bumps Toytec 1" Extended Shackle 4.88 Nitro Gears ARB Front Locker ARB Twin Compressor 15x8 D Window Steelies 33" BFG KM2s Limited Edition Relentless Front Bumper Smittybilt X2O 10K Winch Rugged Ridge 3" LED Pods w/Amber covers Mini D2S Projectors XB35 Ballasts + 4500K Bulbs Badland Sliders FrankenFab Tire Carrier Swingout bumper w/kitchen BudBuilt Front & Bellypan Skids BAMF Rear Diff Skid Whynter 65 qt. Fridge/Freezer CVT Mt Bachelor RTT Badland Custom Bed Rack GM 140 amp alternator Dual Northstar 24F AGM batteries BlueSea 7622 ML-ACR Battery controller Peak DBI Dual Battery Voltage Monitor Magnaflow 18" Muffler Braided Steel Brake Lines AFE Pro Dry S air filter ScanGauge II OBDII Scanner Kenwood TM-71A Dual Band Ham Radio Larson 70CM/2M Antenna Uniden 520xl CB radio 3' Firestik Adjustable tip antenna Pioneer DEH-P9400BH HU Alpine Amps & Type R components (F) and coaxials (R) Wet Okole Seat Covers Weathertech Digital Liners Deck Plate Mod 1" Diff Drop Carrier Bearing Drop
    A wander at high speeds is usually caused by low caster, though +1.3 degrees setting is not horrible. And it is certainly within the minimum specification.

    "Wander Tolerance" (a new category I just coined :)) is a funny thing. Not everyone will agree on how good the truck drives when the caster is below the optimal (2.4 degrees). There are probably many factors that play a roll in what we can each tolerate. Expectation is likely a big part of it. This might explain why companies like Total Chaos and Camburg and Light Racing are able to sell aftermarket UCAs to some of us non-racers.

    btw: What were the other numbers in your first report for toe and camber. Were they able to hit 0 degrees on both?
     
  7. Jul 26, 2010 at 4:14 PM
    #7
    crazyjeys

    crazyjeys [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Member:
    #17928
    Messages:
    68
    Gender:
    Male
    thanks for reply. Camber is 0.8deg on the left and -0.7 on the right. toe is 0.5 left and 0.20 right. they are in the specified limits but i'll surely ask them to try and set it to 0deg or as close as the can set it.

     
  8. Jul 26, 2010 at 9:01 PM
    #8
    Digiratus

    Digiratus Adventurer

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2010
    Member:
    #34006
    Messages:
    13,713
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Mike
    Roaming the PNW
    Vehicle:
    The RedHead
    2002 XtraCab TRD 4x4 Auto Trans With Lots of Mods King Extended Travel COs Camburg Uniball UCAs Alcan Custom 8-Leaf Rear Spring Packs Fox 2.0 Resi Rear Shocks FrankenFab Rear Shock Relocate All-Pro U-bolt Flip w/Timbren bumps Toytec 1" Extended Shackle 4.88 Nitro Gears ARB Front Locker ARB Twin Compressor 15x8 D Window Steelies 33" BFG KM2s Limited Edition Relentless Front Bumper Smittybilt X2O 10K Winch Rugged Ridge 3" LED Pods w/Amber covers Mini D2S Projectors XB35 Ballasts + 4500K Bulbs Badland Sliders FrankenFab Tire Carrier Swingout bumper w/kitchen BudBuilt Front & Bellypan Skids BAMF Rear Diff Skid Whynter 65 qt. Fridge/Freezer CVT Mt Bachelor RTT Badland Custom Bed Rack GM 140 amp alternator Dual Northstar 24F AGM batteries BlueSea 7622 ML-ACR Battery controller Peak DBI Dual Battery Voltage Monitor Magnaflow 18" Muffler Braided Steel Brake Lines AFE Pro Dry S air filter ScanGauge II OBDII Scanner Kenwood TM-71A Dual Band Ham Radio Larson 70CM/2M Antenna Uniden 520xl CB radio 3' Firestik Adjustable tip antenna Pioneer DEH-P9400BH HU Alpine Amps & Type R components (F) and coaxials (R) Wet Okole Seat Covers Weathertech Digital Liners Deck Plate Mod 1" Diff Drop Carrier Bearing Drop
    Those toe numbers are definitely not within the specs I have. Here are the spec ranges I have:

    Camber -0.65* to 0.85*
    Caster 1.28* to 2.78*
    Toe -0.08* to 0.12*

    * = degrees

    The specs your shop is using don't see to jjve.

    The first time I had my alignment checked after the lift, I got the less experienced technician at that shop. When I was vocal about asking for a recheck and stating some expectations, they scheduled their more experienced guy. He did improve on the the toe (0.01 left and 0.00 right) and the camber (0.00 left and -0.02 right) but was unable to get the caster within spec (1.15 left and 1.08 right). I would add that I am at ~2.5" of lift in the front and is the likely root cause of the caster result.

    It might be worthwhile to see if your shop can improve your toe and camber numbers (for tire wear reasons) while maintaining or improving the 1.3/1.6 caster.
     
  9. Jul 26, 2010 at 10:11 PM
    #9
    crazyjeys

    crazyjeys [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Member:
    #17928
    Messages:
    68
    Gender:
    Male
    woah! i know there's something weird on the specs that they have... i'll have the alignment checked out again. thanks!
     
To Top