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2000 Tacoma Sag

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by dietcookie, Sep 6, 2010.

  1. Sep 6, 2010 at 12:37 PM
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    dietcookie

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    Hi, I have a 2000 Tacoma SR5 Xtra-Cab 4WD that is sagging in the rear. The leaf packs look nearly straight, definitely not that desired "happy face". The truck has 258,000 miles on it and has had a camper shell on it for quite some time. I don't do any "heavy" off-roading but I take it to the mountains and desert and use the truck for what its good for. Will a AAL do the trick to lift the rear end up again or do I have to replace the entire thing? Thanks
     
  2. Sep 6, 2010 at 3:20 PM
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    what leafs do you have on it now? i.e. how many leaves do you have and are they the stock ones?
     
  3. Sep 6, 2010 at 3:26 PM
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    TanSR5x4

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    hey man wanna form a club? lol cuz i got the same problem and i would say you need new leafs if they look like mine and are frownie faces. and if they are still stock

    you should post pics
     
  4. Sep 6, 2010 at 3:31 PM
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    steve o 77

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    with that many miles, I recomend getting a whole new leaf pack. I have the wheelers 5 leaf pack and love it. They are made by alcan for wheelers and lift the rear about 1.5".

    Here's a pic of my old leafs:
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    and new:
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  5. Sep 6, 2010 at 6:03 PM
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    Welcome to TW , I'm in San Diego , well actually Lakeside, you have the same prob. I've got dude & unfortunantly I think we're looking at new leaf packs, the AAL may help for a bit, but it seems that once the stock springs start sagging the opposite direction theres no bringing them back, I really think that Toyota dropped the ball in regards to their material of choice for the leaf springs (type of steel & thickness of leafs)
     
  6. Sep 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM
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    First off, let me get something off my chest...and I'm sure there are a few members who share this sentiment with me...WHERE WERE YOU PEOPLE WHEN WE WERE ROUNDING UP TACO OWNERS FOR THE LEAF SPRING GROUP BUY IN APRIL!!! :goingcrazy:We worried and stressed for weeks because we couldn't meet the quota and now it seems like every week there's another 1st gen owner looking for new leaf packs!

    I'm better now...thanks for listening :eek:

    Mine looked worse than steve o's and the only route to go was to replace them. An AAL isn't going to do much to solve the problem if they are flat and/or negative arc.
     
  7. Sep 6, 2010 at 7:35 PM
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    Ummm ,how about I was unemployed waiting for my unemployment claim to start & mortgage payments/utilities/not starving to death was a little higher up the ladder than getting the sag out of my leaf springs !!! Now I feel better & thanks for listening :eek:

    & the OP has been a member for what? a week er something ?

    You can get some deals here thru vendors & group buys no doubt , but from my own looking around the savings realized & the time it takes to get items isn't always that big as far as saving $$$ goes & no offense but I'm sure as hell not gonna stress about making some quota & stress over how many members get on board if ya know what I mean... :D
     
  8. Sep 6, 2010 at 7:46 PM
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    well shit there was also an allpro one that ended september 1st

    and i really didnt get the discount i was hoping for
     
  9. Sep 6, 2010 at 8:01 PM
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    Well Im in the same boat.:( And I only just hit the 100k mark, well thats is a lot of miles but still. I dont really do any off roading and only tow a small trailer every now and then. With that in mind would I still need to replace them? Or would the add a leafs be an option for my situation?
     
  10. Sep 6, 2010 at 8:26 PM
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    You should check your leaf height based on the Factory Service Manual. You can find instructions and such in the following post. Dont go by looks alone as the angles involved cause an optical illusion making them look like they have negative arc.

    http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/1st-gen-tacomas/110855-leaf-packs.html#post2121292

    You'll have to find the measurements for your year, as that FSM linked only goes from 2001 to 2004.

    As for AAL, it will not fix your problem if they're worn out, at least not for any permanent duration. The AAL is not meant to hold the weight of the whole bed, but only work with the other leafs.
     
  11. Sep 6, 2010 at 9:17 PM
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    Ok I 'd say if your not going to offroad it & don't overload the bed , & how small is this trailer ? , Single axle or tandem ? Boxed or open ? Length ?

    You could probably get by with an AAL for awhile,but first park your truck on a hard level surface unloaded & really look at your leafs & pay particular attention to the last foot or so on each end of the leaf spring where it mounts in front ,to the shackles in the rear for neg. arc, if this section is neg. arc , your springs are done.

    Now its pretty normal for these stock springs to warp & flatten out when on uneven surfaces but when parked level, they return to thier level or slightly positive arc.........:cool:

    &^ as mentioned take some OEM specs & compare notes
     
  12. Sep 6, 2010 at 9:28 PM
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    Oh sorry its a 10ft single axle from Home depot. I use it to pull a lawn mower. However it is a big mower 52in zero turn. And maybe eventually a 15ish ft aluminum flat bottom with a 40 horse. But I will check the specs as Manlaan noted.
     
  13. Sep 7, 2010 at 10:55 AM
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    When I removed the overload leaf to install my mini pack the overload had made in Mexico stamped on it.
     
  14. Sep 7, 2010 at 4:09 PM
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    My rear height is fine, and my leaves only arch in the rear. Towards the front shackle, they angle downwards which is the same I've seen for every single 1st gen I've looked at.

    Steve 0 - your leaves don't look bad in that pic - did you have noticeable sagging in the rear? I know the factory pieces aren't the sturdiest, but mine have 195k on them, the majority with a camper and I'm still at normal height in the rear...
     
  15. Sep 7, 2010 at 4:15 PM
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    Mine really weren't that bad but I wanted to lift the truck anyways so I just went ahead and did it right with the new leafs. Don't worry though, the old leafs went to good use, I made a trailer using them.

    That was also with 159,000 miles and no camper shell.
     
  16. Sep 7, 2010 at 5:47 PM
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    And mine looked about the same as steve o's, but I had a snugtop and 101k miles. Again, regardless of the way the springs look, the ride just sucked. The shocks played a part in the crappy ride, but things like body roll and axle wrap are all leaf. I didn't even want a lift, but I got the 5 pack rather than the 4 because I wanted the extra metal...glad I did.
     
  17. Sep 7, 2010 at 5:55 PM
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    Because they didn't have our totally epic threads to read yet! We were riding the crest of the wave, baby! More than 10,000 views since then! Actually, probably just the most recent wave. OK, maybe only the most-recently-getting-a-clue swell. We did have only one month of freaking out before the deadline, but now we have seen several months of posts since then. Maybe it's a perception issue on your behalf. You are seeing the world through mud-covered glasses.
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    Oh, wait, that's poo, not mud.
     
  18. Sep 7, 2010 at 6:46 PM
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    Hey, somebody had to say it. So if it had to be me then so be it! It was only a month (for the GB)? Seemed much much longer than that!

    And how did you hear about the 'poo incident'? :eek: I demand to know!

    Back on topic...replacement can be a driver preference too. For me it was the way to go because I was riding on the bump stops...my leaf packs were flat on the back half and negative arc on the front half. The truck had horrible roll/lean on curves. In short - the ride sucked and something drastic needed to happen.
     
  19. Sep 8, 2010 at 9:04 PM
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    dietcookie

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    Thanks for the responses guys. The ride isn't all that great, but I can't remember if it was any better when I first got the truck, it is a truck anyways so I'm not expecting much. If I find some time this week I'll take some measurements and pictures. Bummed that if it is indeed true I have to replace them, just worried at this mileage so many other mechanical parts can go bad since they haven't.....yet.
     
  20. Sep 13, 2010 at 10:14 AM
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    Well I measured the specs as best as I could and I got about 15 7/16in at the center of the front leaf hanger and about 14in at the center of the axle. But even though that kinda checks within specs they still look pretty bad to me. Here are some pics I just took.

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    What do yall think???
     
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