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2005 - 2016 Archive Garage Premium Shackle Flip Lift Kit

Discussion in 'Archive Garage' started by ARCHIVE, Nov 30, 2015.

  1. Sep 20, 2016 at 2:54 AM
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    Without the extensions, they're JUST touching the frame.
     
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  2. Sep 20, 2016 at 3:22 AM
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    I'd have to look it up again, but just over 27" that makes sense though. That it could be the fully extended side holding things up.
     
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    @HolyHandGrenade I think you are correct in spacing the bump stop up using the square tubing.

    With the shackle flip, it appears to me that you must watch for three things during compression.
    1. Collapsed length of shock.
    2. Springs going negative arch.
    3. Shackle angle
    Since the shackle flip enables more droop, and decreases up travel, #1 above isn't that much of an issue with the B110 and your truck. So I think you just have to watch for the springs.

    The only thing I can add is that I think your test is good with the fork lift, but when wheeling, dynamic forces will cause more up travel.
     
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  4. Sep 20, 2016 at 11:08 AM
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    I like how Tim added the spacer tubes, I don't think it's ugly either.
    I need to point out that Toyota designed the suspension so springs go negative arch and so does OME as seen by their negatively arched overloads.
    Also, the shackle flip does not decrease up travel from axle location at rest, up travel is limtied by spring, shock, bumps.
    What I'm saying is if you convert to spring under the axle giving you much more positive arch, you would not limit up travel due to the negative arch imagined limit. The shackle flip wouldn't limit it, the axle hitting the frame or bumps would
     
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    I concur. However, Toyota and OME didn't design them for compression shackle application either. I think that's worth mentioning.

    So what your saying is, shackle flip is not responsible for loss of up travel, it's the springs, shock, and bumps..? Is that right?

    I'm going to ignore your SUA comment for the moment since we're not discussing SUA.

    What about Tim's case above? Springs over axle.

    After shackle flip he is increasing the bump stop height to compensate.

    So what's the point? What's the net result here?

    Does flipping the shackle not trade up travel for down travel?

    It sure seems that way to me.
     
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  6. Sep 20, 2016 at 9:53 PM
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    ^^^I have this paper template available for any customers who bought a kit before the new holes where added for more shackle angle with Dakars,
    just message me if you would like me to email it to you.
     
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  7. Sep 21, 2016 at 11:31 PM
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    Did a little more forklift flexing, and measuring yesterday. Then, after talking with Eric on the phone, decided to remove the bump extensions.

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  9. Sep 22, 2016 at 2:02 PM
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    Damn that looks good. I'm eagerly waiting to order mine
     
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    why did you remove the extension?
     
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    Just didn't need them.
     
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    So you didn't adjust bump height at all?
     
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    Would the new design be used for Heavy Duty Alcan springs? Or would the utilize the old two holes? Just bought a used spring pack and am on my way to doing this.
     
  14. Sep 23, 2016 at 6:15 PM
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    I just had my first customer with extra capacity Alcans and they seemed to work out with same shackle angle as AllPro's

    The first pic here is of the Alcans and 4" stainless shackles showing a solid 30 degrees in rearmost position, so the middle position would set angle to ~45 degrees, so you would use the factory rivet holes for 30 and 45deg.

    Cory wanted another 1" of lift, so he is the first to install my 6" plain steel shackles, the second picture

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    Damn I need to hurry up and order a set.
     
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    Correct. Other than putting Superbumps on anyway.
     
  17. Sep 27, 2016 at 3:27 PM
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    Has anyone done this with stock springs yet? Or is there even a point? Would like to gain an inch without aal or block and some extra droop wouldn't hurt. But like someone said not if I lose stuffed. I'm not great at suspension dynamics but feel like the shackle may be able to kick back enough to get stock up travel but drop more with correct shock length/placement
     
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  18. Sep 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM
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    Yes and with success, see posts from Hoosiertaco recently, several others as well.
     
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    Ok. Got them on. Used @ARCHIVE Eric's template he sent me for the updated Dakar holes. (I ordered them way back in April before R&D from @kumz and @Littles) Those rivets are a PITA. Havnt had a chance to test full droop or compression yet though. I have a feeling my Dakars are going to limit uptravel before my shocks. TBD.

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