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2005 - 2016 Archive Garage Premium Shackle Flip Lift Kit

Discussion in 'Archive Garage' started by ARCHIVE, Nov 30, 2015.

  1. Oct 12, 2016 at 6:35 AM
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    Super cool! I'm in the camp of not wanting to cut into the bed to fit in some longer shocks, so I definitely appreciate that aspect. Personally I wouldn't have all of those adjustment holes in there, if anything just provide a template with the parameters for that hole pattern identified so someone can drill those out if they want. That should cut out cost and keep people from fiddlef*cking with things and blowing up their shocks cause they didn't understand what they were doing. I'm also skeptical that a couple of bolts through the bed liner will provide much if any additional support.

    Does this utilize the stock lower shock mount? Or does it require welding a new one on?

    Honestly I think the bolt on is probably sufficient provided the shock bucket is welded. The shear strength of grade 8 bolts should be more than adequate to withstand the force, I'd be more worried about frame deflection than I would the bucket itself. But it's not like the guys who want to weld it to the frame can't do that either.

    Any minimum backspacing requirements with your kit?
     
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  2. Oct 12, 2016 at 8:55 AM
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    Thanks, the holes cost nothing to laser cut, reduce weight, and easy for user to adjust, if I settle on adjustable design.
    I'd say 80-90% of force on mount is vertical up and down, so bolting to bed should add just a little stability and also option to add a crossover bar.
    There is a sturdy crossmember in the frame right where the mount bolts on (or welds on) so I am not concerned about deflection.
    Yes, the lower axle mounts are weld on to fit 1.5" rod end shocks with 1/2" bolts. I'd estimate at this early stage a 3/4" spacer might be needed.
    Thanks for your input
     
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  3. Oct 12, 2016 at 1:11 PM
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    I think a mount to the bed is not a bad idea. If you've ever drilled into the bed you'll find it is quite thick, and that the dust is extremely itchy for a very long time. I believe it could add a measure of stability. As Eric said it will not be relied upon as a major structural member, only it will offer some additional bracing.

    I really like the adjustable idea, I hope that aspect makes it to the final design.

    Bolts will be sufficient I'm sure to mount the tower. The metal of the frame will likely fail before the bolts would. The single shear strength of a 1/2" grade 8 bolt is about 17,600 lbs, and tensile strength of the same bolt is around 21,300 lbs. Multiply by 4 mounting bolts and there is no question it will hold up. Even 3 bolts would do it easily.
     
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  4. Oct 12, 2016 at 1:15 PM
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    Oh yea, regarding the shock mount below the axle. If the drawing is of a SUA setup, does the shock mount hang any lower than the spring pack? If the pack is already 3" or whatever below the axle then the shock mount could be about the same and it wouldn't really matter.
     
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  5. Oct 13, 2016 at 11:44 AM
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    Good point, the Deaver SUA spring packs are 2.88" thick, plus about 3/4" perch, plus ubolt plates would probably put the springs as the lowest point under the axle in that scenario
     
  6. Oct 13, 2016 at 12:19 PM
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    Will your SUA work with other shackle flips? Or just yours??
     
  7. Oct 13, 2016 at 12:39 PM
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    It should work fine with others
     
  8. Oct 13, 2016 at 1:23 PM
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    Can't wait to see it then :) I really wish I would have gone with your shackle flip from the start but now waiting to see your SUA:thumbsup:
     
  9. Oct 13, 2016 at 1:36 PM
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  10. Oct 13, 2016 at 4:51 PM
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    Stock shock extension at ride height is about 19", so with 1.5" lift you'd have about 3.5" droop with 24". With AAL and flip, even less droop, not ideal.
     
  11. Oct 13, 2016 at 5:28 PM
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    so if i want this shackle flip than shock relocation or different shock would call for? if i go for the shock relocation kit that u designing now would the shock i have work or not?
     
  12. Oct 13, 2016 at 7:34 PM
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    Right you'd need a longer shock. Since you are getting lift with the AAL, the flip won't give you more droop til you get a longer shock. The relocation will only work with rod end or eyelet shocks, not the stock stem style.
     
  13. Oct 13, 2016 at 7:37 PM
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    Shit I just drop like $1800 for those. I dun think I will touch it any time soon
     
  14. Oct 16, 2016 at 10:54 AM
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    So 5" stainless shackles are now available as an option when purchasing the shackle flip kit for $20 more, or separate from kit as well.
    That's 3 shackle options to choose from: 4" SS, 5" SS, and 6" plain H shackles

    The longer shackles will help expand the range of motion with this kit.

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  15. Oct 17, 2016 at 5:52 PM
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    Hey Eric, I noticed on your website on the page with your SUA kit that you said you're working on being a dealer for Deaver springs. How's that going? I've been meaning to call Deaver for a price on the U540/539 set but I keep forgetting.
     
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    That has just been completed, I haven't listed them on the site yet.
    The pricing is as follows, with free bushings included ($50 value )
    J66 1" light duty packs $712
    U402 2.5-3" Expo packs $850
    U539/540 1" HD SUA packs $850
    3 leaf Addaleaf $230

    Shipping on pair of springs is hefty, figure $150
     
  17. Oct 17, 2016 at 6:37 PM
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    Man, $1000 for a pair of leafs... Might take me longer than I thought to save for SUA. Still wanna do it tho!
     
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    YeahI know, but American made springs with American made steel.
     
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  19. Oct 17, 2016 at 7:32 PM
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    How long are the SUA leafs??
     
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    U539/540 fit in stock hanger location so about 55" with weight on them. These are not listed on Deaver's site. They do list 61.5" SUA springs which requires new hanger locations
     

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