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2005 - 2016 Archive Garage Premium Shackle Flip Lift Kit

Discussion in 'Archive Garage' started by ARCHIVE, Nov 30, 2015.

  1. Oct 16, 2017 at 6:31 PM
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    Well I'm muddying the waters by posting about the new tension hangers in the shackle flip thread. The shackle flip works pretty well with Deaver U539 SUA, but requires brackets moved forward, and shackle can be hit forward under droop.

    I think when you said "traditional flip" you meant tension shackle hanger like this new kit right?
    I think I have a good understanding now of shackles and if you do the math on free length and what fits in between the pivot points.

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  2. Oct 16, 2017 at 6:36 PM
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    STD's or Expo? They are longer than stock so I think for max droop, 4" shackles are the best option.
     
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  3. Oct 16, 2017 at 6:39 PM
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    Stock....ish
    Expo's, I had dakars but I wasn't happy with them.
     
  4. Oct 16, 2017 at 7:18 PM
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    Should be a good fit with pretty good travel like Deaver U402's I'm estimating 12-14" shock travel
     
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  5. Oct 16, 2017 at 7:20 PM
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    I think at this point I would have to see a legit diagram of what ou are talking about. Is this what you were thinking could be an LT substitute back in the LT BS thread where you remove the rear shackle without relocating the front shackle as well?
     
  7. Oct 17, 2017 at 1:55 AM
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    Yes, that's the new Archive hanger I'm talking about. I do believe that it could be honestly called LT if it was moved back and you stretched an SUA spring back to match.
    The DMZ shackle hanger is just as dependent on the springs it attaches to so that it can be "long travel."
    But no this will not be capable of as much as DMZ hanger, can't fit that long of a shackle under the frame rail reasonably
     
  8. Oct 17, 2017 at 4:18 AM
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    Is there an exact spring under leaf that this was designed to work with? I get the impression if it were that simple to just adjust the rear shackle hanger only that LT kits would likely do this. From the ones I have seen, they have to move both the front and rear shackle locations out wider than stock to accommodate the bigger LT sua springs.
     
  9. Oct 17, 2017 at 4:28 AM
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    Did you know that the DMZ springs are almost the same length as stock from front hanger to center pin, but longer at back?
    I think the biggest reason he makes front hangers was to move springs towards tires so the shackle could swing next to frame rail instead of under.

    I'm making a kit for the masses, who want increased performance and quality, without all the fab work and big $$$ install bill.

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  10. Oct 17, 2017 at 4:33 AM
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    But its not just DMZ...Giant relocates both, as well as camburg. Those are the current Tacoma LT kits I am familiar with, but Im sure there are others out there as well. Giant's is completely bolt on to the stock shackle hanger locations and DMZ is in the process of making a bolt on version of his kit. I think if they could just extend the hanger without enlarging the geo then they would have done it. Either way I should be able to speak more intelligently in a few months when I get my kit on the rear in regards to this topic.
     
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    True, because they all have shackle moved out to swing next to frame rail like the full size trucks come stock. Mine is staying under to work with stock front hanger/perch for all the spring over overland rigs, trail rigs and mid travel SUA folks, and because not everyone needs 16"+ travel.
    Please share your build experience here, and if you have springs already measure them up and let us know what you got.

    I'm totally fine calling it mid travel, just got influenced by the many calling TC front long arms "long travel"

    Thanks, Eric
     
  12. Oct 19, 2017 at 6:54 PM
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    Sorry David and everybody, the production tweaks are almost done, but I'm gonna stick with my schedule.

    November release! Thanks for your patience!
     
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  14. Oct 21, 2017 at 10:14 PM
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    Yes they will. I had to crank my icons up to full 3" just somewhat make the lift look normal. When I'm fully loaded with rtt and camping gear it sits level. Unloaded it's close to 1/2" higher in the rear after the springs broke in and suspension settled. I'm running normal dakars and this flip on my 06 dcsb.
     
  15. Oct 21, 2017 at 10:16 PM
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    Did the leaf pack invert? If so it's not the shackles fault, you need better bump stops.
     
  16. Oct 22, 2017 at 9:18 AM
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    My front's are maxed out at 3". I wouldn't mind more lift in the rear, but it already sits raked as is. When it's loaded down with the RTT, camping crap, Hi-lift, full spare, fire wood etc. it sits nice and level. Plus, I don't think my rear shocks have the extended length that they recommend for the shackle.
     
  17. Oct 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM
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    @ARCHIVE have my new deaver U402 expedition stage III on the way. I have the mounts back right now with the stock springs and wheeler single AD. Do you know a good starting place for the U402s? running 10" shocks and timbren bumps. Will get the shock relocate kit later this year I hope.
     
  18. Oct 27, 2017 at 8:44 AM
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    @Glenn_R Good choice on Deaver. For the shackle flip, I would start with the rearmost position which should put shackle angle about 30 degrees from vertical. It sounds like that's where the brackets are currently.

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  19. Oct 27, 2017 at 9:38 AM
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    I cant remember for sure but know I did drill a hole.
     
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    Ok, that's the foremost position, you can try it but shackle angle would be closer to 45deg. I'd recommend moving them rearward, using all 4 factory holes.

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